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		<title>By: Wartime</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2007/11/01/new-coalition-coalesces-makes-a-list/#comment-40363</link>
		<dc:creator>Wartime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish every black person would drop dead.</description>
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		<title>By: Ugh.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ugh.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just tell them to go screw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just tell them to go screw</p>
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		<title>By: rrr</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2007/11/01/new-coalition-coalesces-makes-a-list/#comment-39366</link>
		<dc:creator>rrr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>precisely</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>precisely</p>
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		<title>By: blah blah blah</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2007/11/01/new-coalition-coalesces-makes-a-list/#comment-39339</link>
		<dc:creator>blah blah blah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 00:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s that, you don&#039;t agree with me? You&#039;re racist. Huh? You still don&#039;t agree with me. Well, you&#039;re now even more racist. What? You STILL don&#039;t agree with me, well...now you&#039;re a super racist. etc. etc. etc. etc. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s that, you don&#8217;t agree with me? You&#8217;re racist. Huh? You still don&#8217;t agree with me. Well, you&#8217;re now even more racist. What? You STILL don&#8217;t agree with me, well&#8230;now you&#8217;re a super racist. etc. etc. etc. etc. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah.</p>
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		<title>By: Go Columbia</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2007/11/01/new-coalition-coalesces-makes-a-list/#comment-39314</link>
		<dc:creator>Go Columbia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Columbia is moving into just four(!) blocks over a period of more than 20 years. They are not gentrifying the whole of Harlem. Look at the map! Harlem is a big neighborhood that still has a lot of affordable residences. Columbia is not going to swallow Harlem by taking over three blocks of it. (And even if Harlem were more gentrified, there could still be lots of affordable housing further Uptown in Manhattan). The Medical Center campus hasn&#039;t gentrified the whole of Washington Heights.

Columbia might screw up a lot in its planning and decision making, but it does not seem to be doing anything wrong by picking Manhattanville as a place to expand.

Also: Columbia is not a business! Columbia is a non-profit institution. Just because it is a &#039;private&#039; school doesn&#039;t mean that it is a for-profit institution. When Columbia tries to raise money, it does so in order to use that money to fund academic research and to support students. There aren&#039;t shareholders who will make millions of dollars if our endowment doubles in the next 10 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Columbia is moving into just four(!) blocks over a period of more than 20 years. They are not gentrifying the whole of Harlem. Look at the map! Harlem is a big neighborhood that still has a lot of affordable residences. Columbia is not going to swallow Harlem by taking over three blocks of it. (And even if Harlem were more gentrified, there could still be lots of affordable housing further Uptown in Manhattan). The Medical Center campus hasn&#8217;t gentrified the whole of Washington Heights.</p>
<p>Columbia might screw up a lot in its planning and decision making, but it does not seem to be doing anything wrong by picking Manhattanville as a place to expand.</p>
<p>Also: Columbia is not a business! Columbia is a non-profit institution. Just because it is a &#8216;private&#8217; school doesn&#8217;t mean that it is a for-profit institution. When Columbia tries to raise money, it does so in order to use that money to fund academic research and to support students. There aren&#8217;t shareholders who will make millions of dollars if our endowment doubles in the next 10 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having more Ethnic Studies profs, changing the Manhattanville plan, and changing the Core seem very unlikely to alter the number of bias incidents. I may be wrong about that, but I&#039;ve never seen any evidence to the contrary. [Also, many of the recent bias incidents were at Teachers College, which has little to do with M&#039;ville, ES, and the Core.]

It seems to me that unless some evidence can be provided that making these changes will lower the number of bias incidents, these issues should be treated as distinct.

I understand that some people find it very distressing when people of their ethnicity or faith are subject to a bias incident/hate crime in their university. I think I might feel the some way if placed in a similar situation. I also understand that when people feel very distressed by something like this, they often have a desire to take action and try to prevent these events happening in the future. However, it only makes sense to &#039;take action&#039; if what you&#039;re doing will have some impact in preventing bias incidents in the future. Yet no evidence has been provided that the actions that the concerned people are taking will have an impact on preventing bias incidents. To draw a familiar analogy, lots of people felt that after 9-11, the US had to take action in order to prevent terrorist attacks. Many people justified the Iraq War on the grounds that invading Iraq would help to prevent terrorism. (This was not the only justification people gave for going to war, but it was a commonly discussed justification). Yet evidence was not provided that invading Iraq would prevent events like 9-11 happening in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having more Ethnic Studies profs, changing the Manhattanville plan, and changing the Core seem very unlikely to alter the number of bias incidents. I may be wrong about that, but I&#8217;ve never seen any evidence to the contrary. [Also, many of the recent bias incidents were at Teachers College, which has little to do with M'ville, ES, and the Core.]</p>
<p>It seems to me that unless some evidence can be provided that making these changes will lower the number of bias incidents, these issues should be treated as distinct.</p>
<p>I understand that some people find it very distressing when people of their ethnicity or faith are subject to a bias incident/hate crime in their university. I think I might feel the some way if placed in a similar situation. I also understand that when people feel very distressed by something like this, they often have a desire to take action and try to prevent these events happening in the future. However, it only makes sense to &#8216;take action&#8217; if what you&#8217;re doing will have some impact in preventing bias incidents in the future. Yet no evidence has been provided that the actions that the concerned people are taking will have an impact on preventing bias incidents. To draw a familiar analogy, lots of people felt that after 9-11, the US had to take action in order to prevent terrorist attacks. Many people justified the Iraq War on the grounds that invading Iraq would help to prevent terrorism. (This was not the only justification people gave for going to war, but it was a commonly discussed justification). Yet evidence was not provided that invading Iraq would prevent events like 9-11 happening in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: yikes</title>
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		<dc:creator>yikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silence criticism because it hurts your feelings? Because between the stupid flame responses are some actually good retorts.

The fact is that the people calling a eurocentric core the root cause, or at least a reinforcement of latent racism are nuts. Then again so are the people who are so adamantly upset by those calls. Guess what, you ARE mind-blowingly ignorant and closed-minded. You&#039;re perfectly happy ignoring the fact that the world as it is today was largely shaped by the actions of european imperial powers imposing their wills across the globe. But hey, that&#039;s the past right, why can&#039;t we just forget about it and move on?

This was pointed out earlier in another post somewhere- the Upper west side has voted to restrict building heights because people got pissed off about the luxury condo towers built on 100th street and broadway. Do they realize that people willing to pay higher rents will be moving into the neighborhood anyway? And that by restricting developement, it&#039;s actually going to increase the rate at which rents increase because now the housing stock is locked in at a low fixed number of units? Good job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silence criticism because it hurts your feelings? Because between the stupid flame responses are some actually good retorts.</p>
<p>The fact is that the people calling a eurocentric core the root cause, or at least a reinforcement of latent racism are nuts. Then again so are the people who are so adamantly upset by those calls. Guess what, you ARE mind-blowingly ignorant and closed-minded. You&#8217;re perfectly happy ignoring the fact that the world as it is today was largely shaped by the actions of european imperial powers imposing their wills across the globe. But hey, that&#8217;s the past right, why can&#8217;t we just forget about it and move on?</p>
<p>This was pointed out earlier in another post somewhere- the Upper west side has voted to restrict building heights because people got pissed off about the luxury condo towers built on 100th street and broadway. Do they realize that people willing to pay higher rents will be moving into the neighborhood anyway? And that by restricting developement, it&#8217;s actually going to increase the rate at which rents increase because now the housing stock is locked in at a low fixed number of units? Good job.</p>
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		<title>By: yes</title>
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		<dc:creator>yes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>finally somebody brings up the obvious economic argument.  attention all: manhattan is an expensive place to live.  it&#039;s not getting any cheaper.  this usually corresponds with more whites moving in and more blacks moving out.  it happened white plains, ny already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>finally somebody brings up the obvious economic argument.  attention all: manhattan is an expensive place to live.  it&#8217;s not getting any cheaper.  this usually corresponds with more whites moving in and more blacks moving out.  it happened white plains, ny already.</p>
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		<title>By: This is</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2007/11/01/new-coalition-coalesces-makes-a-list/#comment-39297</link>
		<dc:creator>This is</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Entirely ridiculous. Rising property values will ensure that the gentrification of manhattanville will occur regardless of whether Columbia has any involvement or not. Rent-capped housing is already being sold off for redevelopment on the lower east side.

Even bringing the expansion into the issue of racsim on campus makes no sense.

I&#039;m glad the only people who take these &quot;teach-ins&quot; seriously are themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Entirely ridiculous. Rising property values will ensure that the gentrification of manhattanville will occur regardless of whether Columbia has any involvement or not. Rent-capped housing is already being sold off for redevelopment on the lower east side.</p>
<p>Even bringing the expansion into the issue of racsim on campus makes no sense.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad the only people who take these &#8220;teach-ins&#8221; seriously are themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: ...</title>
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		<dc:creator>...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i find your comments suggesting that we the prohibit the open expression of ideas because we find the particular ideas to be offensive itself to be offensive.  thus we should erase your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i find your comments suggesting that we the prohibit the open expression of ideas because we find the particular ideas to be offensive itself to be offensive.  thus we should erase your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Question for BWOG</title>
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		<dc:creator>Question for BWOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These issues are really important to a lot of people and I think that by keeping comments on, it&#039;s demeaning a movement for which people have worked for many years.
Obviously people cannot keep their mouths clean and their language supportive because they have the anonymity of the internet to protect them.
In this vein, could comments on this please be turned off?  They are offensive.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These issues are really important to a lot of people and I think that by keeping comments on, it&#8217;s demeaning a movement for which people have worked for many years.<br />
Obviously people cannot keep their mouths clean and their language supportive because they have the anonymity of the internet to protect them.<br />
In this vein, could comments on this please be turned off?  They are offensive.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: McFister</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2007/11/01/new-coalition-coalesces-makes-a-list/#comment-39294</link>
		<dc:creator>McFister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harlem belongs to the Dutch!</description>
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		<title>By: ws123</title>
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		<dc:creator>ws123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m keeping my part of the bargain - I never go to Harlem or Manhattanville. But everyday I see blacks walking around Morningside Heights. According to your &quot;solution&quot; we should kick them out of our &quot;own damn neighborhood&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m keeping my part of the bargain &#8211; I never go to Harlem or Manhattanville. But everyday I see blacks walking around Morningside Heights. According to your &#8220;solution&#8221; we should kick them out of our &#8220;own damn neighborhood&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: clearly</title>
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		<dc:creator>clearly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the solution is for everyone to just keep to their &quot;own&quot; damn neighborhoods, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the solution is for everyone to just keep to their &#8220;own&#8221; damn neighborhoods, right?</p>
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		<title>By: not a pinko commie</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2007/11/01/new-coalition-coalesces-makes-a-list/#comment-39281</link>
		<dc:creator>not a pinko commie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the thing is, this isn&#039;t a case of individual white people moving up into harlem. that would be different.

this is about a huge INSTITUTION (almost a corperation) steamrolling through a neighborhood of people. columbia has had so many under the table dealings with the mayor and the governer, and it&#039;s this &quot;old boys,&quot; heavy-handed approach that is isolating the people in the neighborhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the thing is, this isn&#8217;t a case of individual white people moving up into harlem. that would be different.</p>
<p>this is about a huge INSTITUTION (almost a corperation) steamrolling through a neighborhood of people. columbia has had so many under the table dealings with the mayor and the governer, and it&#8217;s this &#8220;old boys,&#8221; heavy-handed approach that is isolating the people in the neighborhood.</p>
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