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		<title>By: bwogdog</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2008/04/11/nadia-abu-el-haj-speaks/#comment-56124</link>
		<dc:creator>bwogdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 02:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie - if you have jstor access, look at http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/285574.pdf , a review of Sokal&#039;s polemic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie &#8211; if you have jstor access, look at <a href="http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/285574.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/285574.pdf</a> , a review of Sokal&#8217;s polemic.</p>
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		<title>By: bwogdog</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2008/04/11/nadia-abu-el-haj-speaks/#comment-56120</link>
		<dc:creator>bwogdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isn&#039;t &quot;denial of the obvious&quot; a fundamental if unstated premise of anthropological fieldwork, that the task of understanding culture requires working out what is tacit, assumed, taken-for-granted?  the brilliance of LL is precisely this, that BL refuses to take the emic representation of what scientists are up to as the only possible account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isn&#8217;t &#8220;denial of the obvious&#8221; a fundamental if unstated premise of anthropological fieldwork, that the task of understanding culture requires working out what is tacit, assumed, taken-for-granted?  the brilliance of LL is precisely this, that BL refuses to take the emic representation of what scientists are up to as the only possible account.</p>
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		<title>By: bwogdog</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2008/04/11/nadia-abu-el-haj-speaks/#comment-56118</link>
		<dc:creator>bwogdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of another, what do you have to say about Laboratory Life?</description>
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		<title>By: bwogdog</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2008/04/11/nadia-abu-el-haj-speaks/#comment-56117</link>
		<dc:creator>bwogdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow....I just asked a question &amp; I got an ad hominem attack in response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;.I just asked a question &#038; I got an ad hominem attack in response.</p>
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		<title>By: fossil</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2008/04/11/nadia-abu-el-haj-speaks/#comment-55348</link>
		<dc:creator>fossil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Articles from &quot;La Recherche&quot; seem hard to find on the net, at least through Google.  But I suggest two, viz., &quot;The End of Science?&quot; and &quot;Did Ramses II Die of Tuberculosis?&quot;, which can probably be found somewhere on the net if you poke around.  The first demands a reconstruction of science to make it accord with Latour&#039;s ideological program (in that sense, he uncannioly echoes the Discovery Institute).  The second proclaims that, contra the findings of forensice anthropologists who studied the mummy, Ramses II cannot have died of tuberculosis.  The reason?  &quot;Tuberculosis&quot; did not come into existence until Robert Koch isolated and identified the relevant bacillus in the 1870&#039;s!!  One is tempted to call this Berkeleian Idealism raised to the point of uter preposterousness.  On this account of &quot;existence&quot;, dinosaurs could not be considered to have existed because the bones of Megasaurus were not identified as those of a an reptile-like creature until the 18th century!

Another well-known piece is Latour&#039;s take on Special Relativity published in Social Studies of Science.  Suffice it to say that the guy lacks the intellectual equipment even to deal with the rather simple derivations that underlie the special theory.  The reaction of the physics community, or, rather, that fragment thereof that paid any atention to Latour, is one long horselaugh.

Sorry I can&#039;t provide more useful websites, but Latour&#039;s own provides plenty of references to his own work.  Se also Sokal&#039;s website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Articles from &#8220;La Recherche&#8221; seem hard to find on the net, at least through Google.  But I suggest two, viz., &#8220;The End of Science?&#8221; and &#8220;Did Ramses II Die of Tuberculosis?&#8221;, which can probably be found somewhere on the net if you poke around.  The first demands a reconstruction of science to make it accord with Latour&#8217;s ideological program (in that sense, he uncannioly echoes the Discovery Institute).  The second proclaims that, contra the findings of forensice anthropologists who studied the mummy, Ramses II cannot have died of tuberculosis.  The reason?  &#8220;Tuberculosis&#8221; did not come into existence until Robert Koch isolated and identified the relevant bacillus in the 1870&#8242;s!!  One is tempted to call this Berkeleian Idealism raised to the point of uter preposterousness.  On this account of &#8220;existence&#8221;, dinosaurs could not be considered to have existed because the bones of Megasaurus were not identified as those of a an reptile-like creature until the 18th century!</p>
<p>Another well-known piece is Latour&#8217;s take on Special Relativity published in Social Studies of Science.  Suffice it to say that the guy lacks the intellectual equipment even to deal with the rather simple derivations that underlie the special theory.  The reaction of the physics community, or, rather, that fragment thereof that paid any atention to Latour, is one long horselaugh.</p>
<p>Sorry I can&#8217;t provide more useful websites, but Latour&#8217;s own provides plenty of references to his own work.  Se also Sokal&#8217;s website.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Egglan</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2008/04/11/nadia-abu-el-haj-speaks/#comment-55284</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Egglan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you please provide some articles or reviews on Latour available on either SSRN or JSTOR (or another database available to students)?</description>
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		<title>By: fossil</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2008/04/11/nadia-abu-el-haj-speaks/#comment-55257</link>
		<dc:creator>fossil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In answer to your direct question, yes.  It was a lecture of Latour on the Aramis project that convinced me he was a faker.  Any decent journalist would have done a much better job.  &quot;Careful and well-documented ethnographic fieldwork&quot; it wasn&#039;t, unless you consider condescension and the denial of the obvious to be a hallmark thereof.  But see Latour&#039;s paper on Ramses II and tuberculosis for an even more pointed example of childish arrogance.

You show that Latour will impress those who want to be impressed.  It&#039;s not surprising that there are lots of these in a world where homeopathy and worthless theories about the etiology of autism have such an easy time of it.  Uri Geller is an even bigger success than Latour!

How much actual scientific work have you done, by the way?  Not much, I infer.  Nor have you come up with an explanation for Latour&#039;s getting the bum&#039;s rush at IAS (as also happened with the next Geertz nominee, Norton Wise) other than the obvious one: his work is worthless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In answer to your direct question, yes.  It was a lecture of Latour on the Aramis project that convinced me he was a faker.  Any decent journalist would have done a much better job.  &#8220;Careful and well-documented ethnographic fieldwork&#8221; it wasn&#8217;t, unless you consider condescension and the denial of the obvious to be a hallmark thereof.  But see Latour&#8217;s paper on Ramses II and tuberculosis for an even more pointed example of childish arrogance.</p>
<p>You show that Latour will impress those who want to be impressed.  It&#8217;s not surprising that there are lots of these in a world where homeopathy and worthless theories about the etiology of autism have such an easy time of it.  Uri Geller is an even bigger success than Latour!</p>
<p>How much actual scientific work have you done, by the way?  Not much, I infer.  Nor have you come up with an explanation for Latour&#8217;s getting the bum&#8217;s rush at IAS (as also happened with the next Geertz nominee, Norton Wise) other than the obvious one: his work is worthless.</p>
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		<title>By: bwogdog</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2008/04/11/nadia-abu-el-haj-speaks/#comment-55213</link>
		<dc:creator>bwogdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you read Latour&#039;s Laboratory Life?  Or Aramis?  His (IMHO brilliant) readings of the social production of scientific knowledge and technology are entirely grounded in careful, well-documented ethnographic fieldwork.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you read Latour&#8217;s Laboratory Life?  Or Aramis?  His (IMHO brilliant) readings of the social production of scientific knowledge and technology are entirely grounded in careful, well-documented ethnographic fieldwork.</p>
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		<title>By: yellow</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2008/04/11/nadia-abu-el-haj-speaks/#comment-55185</link>
		<dc:creator>yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By presentiments I meant predispositions.</description>
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		<title>By: yellow</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2008/04/11/nadia-abu-el-haj-speaks/#comment-55184</link>
		<dc:creator>yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By &quot;this posting,&quot; I meant the posting at the very top of the page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By &#8220;this posting,&#8221; I meant the posting at the very top of the page.</p>
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		<title>By: yellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please supply an exact quotation with appropriate context. I recall someone remarking that her ethnicity made her predisposed to a lack of objectivity with regard to Israel, which I dare say is undeniably clear. A true scholar could, perhaps, overcome such presentiments, but it would not doubt be difficult, and all the evidence indicates that she does not properly fall into that category. With regard to your assertion that derogatory remarks against Jewish academics would not be tolerated, look no further than this posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please supply an exact quotation with appropriate context. I recall someone remarking that her ethnicity made her predisposed to a lack of objectivity with regard to Israel, which I dare say is undeniably clear. A true scholar could, perhaps, overcome such presentiments, but it would not doubt be difficult, and all the evidence indicates that she does not properly fall into that category. With regard to your assertion that derogatory remarks against Jewish academics would not be tolerated, look no further than this posting.</p>
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		<title>By: ugh2</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2008/04/11/nadia-abu-el-haj-speaks/#comment-55180</link>
		<dc:creator>ugh2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*&quot;her ethnicity&quot; being El-haj&#039;s ethnicity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*&#8221;her ethnicity&#8221; being El-haj&#8217;s ethnicity</p>
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		<title>By: ugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>ugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was the name of that Barnard alum who said something to the nature of &quot;What do you expect considering her ethnicity?&quot; How the hell would that be fit to print in a newspaper or said aloud in an academic atmosphere if it was against an Israeli or Jewish professor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was the name of that Barnard alum who said something to the nature of &#8220;What do you expect considering her ethnicity?&#8221; How the hell would that be fit to print in a newspaper or said aloud in an academic atmosphere if it was against an Israeli or Jewish professor?</p>
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		<title>By: fossil</title>
		<link>http://bwog.com/2008/04/11/nadia-abu-el-haj-speaks/#comment-55049</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, Abu el Haj alleged that Ussishkin violated the standards and ethics of his calling without providing credible evidence that any scholar could accept.  That&#039;s defamation.

As to Latour (and Collins/Pinch, and Jasanoff and Bloor and Knorr-Cetina and Harding and Haraway and Shapin and Fox-Keller and Fuller and Hayles and Bloor and Herrnstein-Smith and Longino and so forth, ad infinitum), suffice it to say I&#039;ve been in constant battle with that crew.  Since I don&#039;t want to blow my own cover, I won&#039;t tell you where and how--but I&#039;m still getting royalties for a book I published more than a decade ago on that very topic--not to mention perhaps 50 or 60 articles and book chapters written since.  To get down to cases, Abu el Haj herself is unambiguous about claiming that science studies is her field, that she is, like Latour, an &quot;anthropologist of science&quot;.  Her book makes it clear that she relies entirely on the literature of this crank field for her theoretical authority.  Check this for yourself.

As to her politics: unlike Stern, who is hysterical as well as very careless, I don&#039;t take Abu el Haj&#039;s politics to be a crucial issue.  I don&#039;t like her politics, but I fully expect to find them in anyone with Palestinian roots.  I dislike Stern&#039;s politics far more, since I think that the &quot;settlers&quot; who claim an absolute right to seize land from Palestinian Arabs where and when they choose, are crazy, vicious, and dangerous.  But the issue is the scholarly worth and fairmindedness of Abuy el Haj&#039;s book, on which issues she must be judged harshly.  The pity of it is that if she had abandoned the science studies folderol and addressed the politics candidly and directly, she might have produced a genuinely interesting book.  For instance, she might have discussed the question of whether the demographics of a piece of land 2000 years ago and more has any bearing on how to reach a fair and just solution to current disputes over that territory.  Frankly, I don&#039;t think it has any relevance, whether we&#039;re talking about Zionist ultra claims in the Middle East or Serbian claims in Kosovo.  Thus the sin of Israeli archaeology, to the extent that it allies with the ultras, is not that it constructs illusory facts, but that it treats them as though they had something important to say about the present conflict.  (But then, Abu el Haj overlooks the fact that for a generation or so, Israeli archaeology has been a thorn in the side of the ultra nationalists and the fervently Orthodox, in that its leading authorities have frequently debunked the supposed historicity of the Bible.)

But the crowd Abu el Haj was trying to impress did not consist of serous political scientists/philosophers, but rather the heirs of Geertz who, saturated with the cliches of postmodernism, have pretty well ruined cultural anthropology.  Who wants to bear the hardships of true field work when they can sit on their asses and do &quot;theory&quot; instead?  Note that Abu el Haj&#039;s field work consisted of gadding about a modern country, with all its conveniences and luxuries, occassionally visiting a dig (but not overdoing it in this respect).  At that, it&#039;s a hell of a lot more taxing than what many of today&#039;s supposed cultural anthropologists do.  Then again, a hopelessly old-fashioned anthropologist like Napoleon Chagnon, who spent many years facing up to extremes of danger and discomfort in order to understand a people on its own turf, is rewarded for his efforts by a tsunami of slander by the very same postmoderists who think that quoting Foucault ad nauseam constitutes scholarship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, Abu el Haj alleged that Ussishkin violated the standards and ethics of his calling without providing credible evidence that any scholar could accept.  That&#8217;s defamation.</p>
<p>As to Latour (and Collins/Pinch, and Jasanoff and Bloor and Knorr-Cetina and Harding and Haraway and Shapin and Fox-Keller and Fuller and Hayles and Bloor and Herrnstein-Smith and Longino and so forth, ad infinitum), suffice it to say I&#8217;ve been in constant battle with that crew.  Since I don&#8217;t want to blow my own cover, I won&#8217;t tell you where and how&#8211;but I&#8217;m still getting royalties for a book I published more than a decade ago on that very topic&#8211;not to mention perhaps 50 or 60 articles and book chapters written since.  To get down to cases, Abu el Haj herself is unambiguous about claiming that science studies is her field, that she is, like Latour, an &#8220;anthropologist of science&#8221;.  Her book makes it clear that she relies entirely on the literature of this crank field for her theoretical authority.  Check this for yourself.</p>
<p>As to her politics: unlike Stern, who is hysterical as well as very careless, I don&#8217;t take Abu el Haj&#8217;s politics to be a crucial issue.  I don&#8217;t like her politics, but I fully expect to find them in anyone with Palestinian roots.  I dislike Stern&#8217;s politics far more, since I think that the &#8220;settlers&#8221; who claim an absolute right to seize land from Palestinian Arabs where and when they choose, are crazy, vicious, and dangerous.  But the issue is the scholarly worth and fairmindedness of Abuy el Haj&#8217;s book, on which issues she must be judged harshly.  The pity of it is that if she had abandoned the science studies folderol and addressed the politics candidly and directly, she might have produced a genuinely interesting book.  For instance, she might have discussed the question of whether the demographics of a piece of land 2000 years ago and more has any bearing on how to reach a fair and just solution to current disputes over that territory.  Frankly, I don&#8217;t think it has any relevance, whether we&#8217;re talking about Zionist ultra claims in the Middle East or Serbian claims in Kosovo.  Thus the sin of Israeli archaeology, to the extent that it allies with the ultras, is not that it constructs illusory facts, but that it treats them as though they had something important to say about the present conflict.  (But then, Abu el Haj overlooks the fact that for a generation or so, Israeli archaeology has been a thorn in the side of the ultra nationalists and the fervently Orthodox, in that its leading authorities have frequently debunked the supposed historicity of the Bible.)</p>
<p>But the crowd Abu el Haj was trying to impress did not consist of serous political scientists/philosophers, but rather the heirs of Geertz who, saturated with the cliches of postmodernism, have pretty well ruined cultural anthropology.  Who wants to bear the hardships of true field work when they can sit on their asses and do &#8220;theory&#8221; instead?  Note that Abu el Haj&#8217;s field work consisted of gadding about a modern country, with all its conveniences and luxuries, occassionally visiting a dig (but not overdoing it in this respect).  At that, it&#8217;s a hell of a lot more taxing than what many of today&#8217;s supposed cultural anthropologists do.  Then again, a hopelessly old-fashioned anthropologist like Napoleon Chagnon, who spent many years facing up to extremes of danger and discomfort in order to understand a people on its own turf, is rewarded for his efforts by a tsunami of slander by the very same postmoderists who think that quoting Foucault ad nauseam constitutes scholarship.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is so ridiculously biased. My favorite quote: &quot;They [Columbia and Barnard&#039;s Jewish students] are often alarmed by the shock of free speech that is not their own.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is so ridiculously biased. My favorite quote: &#8220;They [Columbia and Barnard's Jewish students] are often alarmed by the shock of free speech that is not their own.&#8221;</p>
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