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Bwog Facebook Roundtable

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Just because you’ve had Facebook since senior year of high school doesn’t mean you know how to use it properly. Veteran facebookers and Bwog staffers Sara Vogel, Amanda Erickson, Marc Tracy, Izumi Devalier, Avi Zenilman, and Lydia DePillis weigh in on the subtleties that—Bwog is sorry to say—still haven’t been figured out by a disturbing percentage of first-years.

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Bwog: Yes, everyone’s here! Let’s start with a general, easy one… How is high school Facebook different from college Facebook?

Marc: I think the first thing you’d have to look at is wall posting. In high school, walls are places to have conversations. In college, they’re not.

Lydia: Facebook is not a method of substantive communication. There should be no figuring out of logistics.

Sara: Meaning, wall postings to schedule going to the mall?

Avi: Yeah, college students use AIM, cell phones — or silly things like personal messages and face-to-face contact.

Marc: I find (my brother just graduated from high school) that wall posting on high school Facebook is about far more useless things than meeting up

Sara: Like what?

Lydia: how your summer was

Marc: stupid questions

Marc: but then you’re actually expected to answer them on their wall.

Avi: Wall posts are for obnoxious inside jokes and displays of wit, NOT “hey how are you’s”

Izumi: but my image of American high school life is that everyone lives miles away

Avi: [Izumi went to boarding school]

Izumi: So Facebook wall posting is actually a viable form of communication?

Amanda: I think it is considered a way to keep in touch in high school…

Marc: It’s also discourteous to crowd someone else’s wall with posts. I don’t post on someone’s wall if there is already a visible post of mine with occasional exceptions. But if I’m one of your ten most recent posts i’m going to refrain until I’m not.

Avi: I think, to an extent, it is more required of high school students to shamelessly display their social connections … its not that you’re asking someone what to do, but WHO you are asking.

Sara: ah… so its a status thing. But isn’t college facebook all about that too?

Marc: I don’t think it is a status thing. I think in college it’s appreciated intrinsically. It’s not a tool

Izumi: clearly the wall posting is supposed to make some kind of public statement about your social life.

Avi: Not as much–college is much bigger, so facebooking gives a sort of social shape and meaning to our lives. And its ABSOLUTELY about status in college–it’s just that a certain subtlety is required.

messageAmanda: Well, I think facebook messaging is basically useless. Emails are much better

Lydia: wall postings are inherently demonstrative. Which is why e-mails carry greater meaning

Bwog: Let’s move on to friending protocols.

Sara: What message does friending send, and when should I refrain from friending someone?

Marc: Also, should a friend ever be rejected?

Lydia: I absolutely reject people when I’ve never met them.

Avi: I like the policy “I only friend people who friend me first,” but, unless you’re David Chait (see print issue) that often can lead to self-esteem issues.

Marc: Oh I have fewer compunctions if I’ve never met them

Amanda: I think it’s mean to reject people. You may need a favor

Avi: Yeah, and the other problem with rejecting someone is that you’ll never be able to see their profile.

Marc: For non-Columbia people

Izumi: The only time I’ve rejected someone, and I did this retroactively, is when I found out that he was one of those guys who chased Asian girls around

Avi: I like when people I don’t know friend me — it makes me feel like a celebrity. One time a girl I hooked up with rejected me as a friend the next week. She only had 30 or so, so she was one of those picky types, but it was very sobering.

Marc: who who WHO?? Wow Avi that’s an awesome story

Lydia: Is it too forward to friend someone after you hit on them in a bar? I think most girls find it creepy.

Izumi: Well for some people it’s just a good way to keep tabs on budding relationships? So if I met someone who I thought was kind of cool, I would friend them so that in the event that I wanted to talk to them again I would know who the hell they are.

Sara: it’s much less intrusive than calling them, emailing them or IM’ing them.

Lydia: I’m generally anti-friend. But maybe that’s because I want to be like Dave Chait.

Marc: Facebook profiles are to be seen, not heard?

Avi: Yes, absolutely.

Izumi: Agreed

Avi: Rampant Facebook friending is obnoxious. If you get friended by someone you barely know, and see he or she has 900 other friends … its disheartening.

Izumi: seriously, your actual real-life social connections have to be pretty anemic in order for you to be desperate enough to friend everyone in your college.

Lydia: I think some kids see it as the modern rolodex, the bigger the better…


pokeBwog: Speaking of creepyness, what about poking?

Avi: Poking is excellent. My sister had the great idea: if you don’t like someone, you should be able to “douche” them instead of poking them.

Marc: yes you should

Lydia: YESYESYES

Marc: And poking is definitely underused

Amanda: Being poked is a big compliment, I think.

Sara: But nobody sees the poke. It’s only for you.

Lydia: Well, if you had something clever to say, you’d wall post. Actually I hate poking. I think it’s way too coy.

Avi: Coyness is an art.

Bwog: Is it ever ok to de-friend someone?

Izumi: If that person turns out to be creepy, you can absolutely de-friend them

Avi: It’s OK, but you have to be ready to deal with the consequences. (Which often are minor.)

Amanda: I’ve only ever considered it as a super passive-aggressive way to let someone know I’m mad at them.

Lydia: Makes you feel better though, doesn’t it Amanda?

Amanda: It does.

Izumi: People have to be pretty obsessive to figure out who defriended them, my friend count fluctuates all the time.

Avi: I’m not a fan of people de-friending regularly to keep their numbers around 100, that’s as desperately calibrated as friending 1000 people.

Bwog: what about the new trend of people who don’t let you find them if you’re not friends with them, unless you do some digging?

Sara: Well, famous college students have restricted profiles– with reason.

Izumi: How about people who refuse to get facebook profiles!?!?

Avi: People who refuse to get profiles usually are totally full of it. Just have a minimalist profile, and be done.

Marc: Well, the people I REALLY don’t get are the people with non-restricted profiles, but restricted in terms of searching, cause you search their names, and they don’t show up, but groups they are in do, and so it’s just two more clicks. It’s so inane

Avi: I get that — it’s the same logic of not putting your birthday — the people who find you are only the people you really want to find you.


birthdayBwog: What’s the etiquette around birthdays?

Avi: Ugh. Don’t get me started on that.

Sara: I never say happy birthday to people– there are too many. But I like it when people say happy birthday to me!

Izumi: I think wall posting a greeting is pretty lazy

Marc: oh it’s fine

Avi: Yes, but I don’t put my birthday there so everyone who wishes me happy birthday is known to be someone who knows it’s my birthday. It’s a very “old media” feeling.

Lydia: there’s a narrow spectrum of people whom you know well enough to wish happy birthday too but not well enough to call them.

Amanda: I think if you want someone to feel like you actually want them to have a happy birthday, you need to email them.

Avi: Facebook is NOT the medium for the (birthday) message.

Izumi: YES

Marc: yes. Or call

Avi: Absolutely.

Sara: or give them a big hug!

Lydia: Agreement!

Amanda: Yes! A hug!

Izumi: Why can’t you give facebook hugs?

Sara: aw! Good suggestion for Zuckerberg

Avi: Along with douching!

Izumi: there should be pokes, douches, and hugs


photosBwog: OK, let’s talk about photos?

Avi: How should you go about picking your facebook pic?

Amanda: Well, there’s the ‘look how hot I am’ facebook picture

Izumi: a) no shirtless photos, b) no alcohol/drugs

Avi: I think any picture of you holding a drink — unless you are wearing really fucking excellent formal wear — is totally off limits.

Izumi: And c) no photo that you clearly took yourself,

Marc: Actually there’s a small global facebook group of people who’ve taken pictures of themselves in a mirror, it’s called mirrornauts, and I actually like that concept

Izumi: d) no cellphone pictures, e) no prom pictures

Bwog: ok… what about pictures of you with other people?

Izumi: thats fine, BUT I think no pictures with famous people.

Avi: I had a friend who one time put up a picture of her with Wolf Blitzer

Marc: ewwwwww

Izumi: It really bothers me when people use pictures that were taken with others but crop it in such a way that you can see one arm in the corner

Lydia: oh GOD that’s annoying

Izumi: also, no pictures with mayor Bloomberg

Avi: Also, if you have a girlfriend/boyfriend and you want to announce it, use your “relationship status” for it. Don’t put a picture of you with your beau as your main pic.

Sara: Question, what about friending someone whom you know really well but never facebooked. ie: I just facebooked Marc today?

Marc: Yeah how were we not friends? I’m constantly surprised by who I’m NOT friends with because I so rarely friend people. Often I find the impetus for friending people is making albums because you can’t tag someone with a link unless you’re friends with them.

Bwog: When is okay to untag yourself in someone elses photo?

Avi: Whenever you want. De-tagging is always OK.

Izumi: but doesn’t that send a message that you clearly think you suck in that photo?

Lydia: that you don’t want ugly pictures of yourself.
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Izumi: yeah, but its like admitting your suck

Sara: something I think is cute is when people tag your name with random stuff. I have several pictures of me that are of really strange things– fairies, sinks, blonde chicks, my friend Adam’s stomach

Izumi: two words: iggy cortez

Marc: Yes i’m currently francois ozon and dustin hoffman thanks to iggy. I’m also a monkey giving dora the explorer (who is izumi) a high five

Izumi: i think this is his masterpiece:

Bwog: Can we talk about relationship status briefly?

Lydia: like, should you tell someone before changing the status?

Izumi: not if you’re married

Lydia: it’s rather awkward if they find out unexpectedly

Marc: which is why you should have nothing ever

Izumi: i never take married so seriously

Amanda: I agree

Izumi: no no no. if you’re dating someone, put it up

Amanda: but then you have to change it when you break up

Izumi: you have to let people know if you’re not available

Marc: just a beautiful nothingness, so you can have a situation where one party is “in a relationship with the other,” but not the other way around

Bwog: Eek. I haven’t updated my profile since summer before first-year. Is that a bad thing?

Lydia: That’s classy, it shows detachment

Izumi: it’s a sign of restraint

Marc: you can never criticize someone for not updating enough, and you can for updating too much. If i have a facebook fault, it’s that i update too frequently

Sara: haha… but it’s such a conscious non-updating, then.

Lydia: Facebook should never be talked about in real life

Sara: Haha… oh no…

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8 Comments

  1. obviously  

    i'm not going to read all of that. i am though interested by the style, which while pretending to be from a real chat, i gather is from a real chat. did you guys actually talk about this for that long. wow. you should have watched the cops swarm 114th instead. now that's a story.

    • Epic.  

      E-mail that to Bwog! I'm sure they/we would like to hear about a Cop swarm.

      Also, I think Facebook photos with celebrities are generally ok. I'm usually entertained. The best I've ever seen: an unnamed Columbia '05 Engineer with O.J. Simpson.

  2. bad with names  

    I hate it when I look at someone's facebook photo and can't tell if they're the right person. Especially annoying with restricted profiles. Your profile pic should be identifiable as you.

  3. friend whore

    Amanda: I think it's mean to reject people. You may need a favor

    what kind of favor would you need from a person who obviously doesn't have real, physical friends?

  4. spot on

    the rolodex comment is a really good observation.

  5. bad with names  

    I hate it when I look at someone's facebook photo and can't tell if they're the right person. Especially annoying with restricted profiles. Your profile pic should be identifiable as you.

  6. this  

    this such a self-indulgent bwog post.

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