Nov

18

LectureHop: You Mean We Can All Just Get Along?

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If you were all hyped up for the “conflict” part of last night’s Veritas Forum “Faiths in Conflict: Searching for a Common Space,” you may be disappointed by the friendly banter between secularist Heyman Center Director Akeel Bilgrami and Sri Lankan theologian Vinoth Ramachandra. Bwog correspondent Sarah Ngu reports on their discussion of how to build foundations for tolerant, mixed-faith communities.

religionAkeel Bilgrami wanted to avoid a “polemical evening,” so the first thing he did was distance himself from staunch atheists like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens. He called the pair “some of the most distasteful people on the intellectual scene today” and compared them to religious fundamentalists. You’ll only get the intellectual play if you know that both men claim that labels like  “Muslim,” and “Christian” can only be used to describe extremists. If you go to church and say your prayers at night, you’re either a heathen or an atheist in denial

Ramachandra expressed brief sympathy for “militant atheists” like Hitchens and Dawkins, noting that, if only exposed to televangalism early in life, he would not be a Christian today.  He then lamented with Bilgrami the dearth of serious books on religion in bookstores and picked a bit of a fight with what he calls “American tolerance.” Since Americans who disagree with each other are so content with their own beliefs, they don’t engage with each other on religious questions and don’t leave their own beliefs open to revision.

True tolerance is what Ramachandra calls a “political secularism”: Cultural groups must, without surrendering their core values, challenge their members to be self-critical and practice an empathetic appreciation for others. A group managing this may contribute to public wellbeing, religious diversity, and global peace. According to Ramachandra, faith can provide the proper grounds for a “politically secular” space even for the marginalized. To him, the core message of Christianity is that God identifies with the marginalized. Thus Christians ought to care for “the dregs of the world,” as he says they have done in the past, leading the abolition and labor movements.

Professor Eisenbach, moderating, asked a blunt question of the speakers – “Where do human rights come from?”

Bilgrami didn’t quite say, but he argued that human rights and values cannot be explained by natural sciences, as some of his secularists fellows believe, because the sciences operate in a “normative void.” Evolution can explain why a human perceives a value and why a snail does not, but it cannot explain why we believe what we believe, and not something different.

Ramachandra doesn’t disagree; he argued that to explain rights by rational and moral agency does not hold, because human rights are universal, and everyone, no matter how smart, should have equal access to them. Bilgrami notes, however, that to demand an answer to the question about the origins of our values is to fall into the trap of scientific thinking.

More was asked than answered, but the discussion proved that it is possible for secular and religious people to amiably and respectfully engage one another despite opposing views. Really, this was nothing but a discussion between friends; when Eisenbach interrupted the two for questions from the audience, Bilgrami responded, “The audience… yes, them.”

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9 Comments

  1. KER

    Was Sam also waterboarded?

  2. Christopher  

    Hitchens. Sam Harris.

  3. er...  

    It's impossible to take Bilgrami seriously with such canards as militant atheist fundamentalist extemists...

    The Economist said it pretty well: http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/07/the_silliest_smear.cfm

    First and most salient, as Oxford's Tim Garton Ash writes, "there are no al-Darwinia brigades making bombs in secret laboratories in north Oxford." Yes, sigh, many atheists like Christopher Hitchens and Daniel Dennet are just as convinced that there is no God as Osama bin Laden is convinced that there is no god but God and Muhammad is his messenger. On one hand you have faith that makes people fly planes into buildings, genitally mutilate young girls, murder abortion doctors (in church), stone adultresses, outlaw certain forms of consensual sex or even just make it impossible to buy beer on Sunday in some states. On the other hand there is the atheist "faith" that makes people write smug op-eds, put ads on buses (see photo), file frivolous lawsuits against nativity scenes on public property, and the like. Show me what harm in the world a prominent atheist intellectual has done.

    • smug Columbia student  

      hear hear!

    • also  

      you have faith that acts as a site for people to develop a community, the site of various charities, locations for political mobilization (liberation theology, sites of peasant-centric mobilization can be seen in religious formations throughout history), and act as a tool for rehabilitation (AA, for one). the arguments for and against "faith" can go either way, but we must realize both - or else we're being terribly reductive.

  4. Yes  

    I second that emotion

  5. i think

    Christopher Hitchens just really misses his foreskin.

  6. and?  

    I see. By not concluding that faith is necessary to the fabric of commmunities, I would be reductive. Objecting to Dawkins being described as "one of the most distasteful people on the intellectual scene today (still stunned by that phrase) is not reductive.

    I'm just not sure what we're going to conclude about that socialist hellhole Denmark and its lack of community, social safety nets, lack of political efficiency and general alcohol addiction.

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