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6 O’Clock Wrap Up: Operation Ivy League

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OK, let’s all take a deep breath. Here’s the latest news on Operation Ivy League, and a run-down of what’s happened today, who’s written about it, and what’s next.

The most recent news: as of 7:20 p.m., Bwog has some important updates from the Special Narcotics Prosecutor’s Office. Kati Cornell, the Communications Representative, just told Bwog that each of the arrested students has secured a private lawyer. Christopher Coles will be represented by Curtis Faber, Harrison David by Samuel Felman, Adam Klein by Hershel Katz, Jose Perez (aka Stephan Vincenzo) by Robert Weinstein, and Michael Wymbs by Michael Bachner. Bachner has been involved in several high-profile legal cases recently, including Caroline Giuliani’s shoplifting arrest case, former NY Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik’s federal case, and New York Giant Antonio Pierce’s case involving ex-teammate Plaxico Burress’ accidental shooting.

The University, Cornell confirmed, was not involved in the five-month investigation at all, but Columbia Public Safety was “helpful to the NYPD in facilitating the arrests” made this morning. The investigation will continue. If there is new information about drug dealing at Columbia, the Office will follow that information. However, Cornell commented, “the Office waited until everyone that we wanted to identify and arrest was identified and we made all the arrests we intended to make at Columbia.”

The Office also confirmed that all five suspects were indicted before they were arrested this morning, which is often the case in a long-term investigation such as this one.

Here’s more of what we can expect looking forward: there will be the standard hearing for the five accused students with discovery process, which is the process during which the prosecution turns over evidence to the suspects’ defense attorneys. If the defense lawyers then see any issues with the evidence presented that they wish to take up, they can file a motion to suppress certain pieces of evidence. At least one of the five suspects has made a statement to the police, and defense attorneys can also motion to suppress those original statements.

Although the five defendants have already pleaded not guilty, they may choose to plead guilty to avoid trial, which is potentially a very drawn-out process. If that were the case, the defense and prosecution would discuss the charges and penalty for the five defendants.

The New York Post has video of the students’ arrest.

Just before 6 p.m., we found out that all five arrested students have been arraigned at Manhattan Criminal Court. Their bond and bail amounts follow:

  • Harrison David: $75,000 bond, $50,000 cash
  • Jose Stephan Perez: $30,000 bond, $20,000 cash
  • Michael Wymbs: $35,000 bond, $25,000 cash
  • Chris Coles: $40,000 bond, $25,000 cash
  • Adam Klein: $35,000 bond, $25,000 cash

Wymbs’ parents arrived at the Court today with a blank check for his bail. The other students will head to Rikers tonight if their bails are not paid.

We checked in with legal expert and Columbia Law Professor Jeffery Fagan, who commented, “I would guess that (a) they have no priors and so they will get a big discount from the Court at sentencing, and the discount will be even bigger if (b) they give up what they know about the suppliers.” The biggest strike against them is the “multiplicity” of drugs the students were selling. This isn’t an informal weed-dealing situation, Fagan noted.

And here’s a synthesis of what happened today, starting at 6:30 a.m. After a five-month investigation by the NYPD’s Special Narcotics Unit dubbed “Operation Ivy League,” five Columbians [Chris Coles (CC ’12), Harrison David (SEAS ’12), Adam Klein (CC ’12), Joseph Stephen Perez (aka Stephan Vincenzo, CC ’12), and Michael Wymbs (SEAS ’11)] were arrested for having and dealing sizable amounts of marijuana, cocaine, LSD, ecstasy, and Adderall. They were arrested between 6 and 7 a.m. this morning. Police unhinged the locks of Mike Wymbs’s EC suite to arrest him.

The full police report can be found here.

Then the Internet exploded. We’re looking at hundreds and hundreds of Tweets (including this one from our own fake-PrezBo) articles from Gawker, Gothamist, New York Times, Wall Street Journal… even the Las Vegas Sun. Reporters and news trucks swamped Frat Row.

The University has issued comment only through Dean Shollenberger’s email this morning, in which he pointed to the student handbook’s rules about alcohol and drug use. Students for a Sensible Drug Policy also issued a statement this afternoon calling today a “sad day, because the real problems related to drug use that desperately need to be addressed, were not” and the events of today the result of “poor policy.”

None of the Greek councils has issued comment yet, but tipsters spotted girls taking down posters for an event with Theta and Pike. We have heard that members of the Greek Life community are meeting tonight to discuss the ramifications of today’s events for the community, but the Councils have not confirmed this.

Some wild cards looking forward: there’s Miron Sarzynski, one of the East Village suppliers currently being held at Rikers Island. Sarzynski asked one of the undercover cops working on Operation Ivy League to help him “kidnap and torture” rival cocaine dealers. Going forward, it seems likely that the sentencing of the “Columbia 5” will depend on how much information they can give about their downtown suppliers. We’ve also heard that Coles’ parents are both lawyers. The arrested students’ decision to plead “not guilty” also opens some questions about how their hearing will proceed. For tonight, we know that they’ll be sleeping at Rikers if their bail is not paid.

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300 Comments

  1. Anonymous  

    HOW EMBARRASSING.

    • WHOA WHOA WHOA  

      FIrst of all, i like my comments all the way on the top. Second, do not call them Columbia 5, they are not super heroes, seriousla you guys.

    • Barack Obama  

      I hope you guys realize this totally eliminates any chance of me speaking at Columbia for commencement. I can already see the FOX headlines "Obama to speak and school with drug dealers on student council" I hope the people doing the POTUS project have other hobbies...

    • The Columbia 5...  

      ...name is going to stick. That sucks. Just make them the Colombia 5 and move on.

    • Hey,  

      At least they didn't have to take finals first.

      • Anonymous student

        Hello, internet: I'm an undergrad student here on full financial aid, but I still work 30+ hours a week for multiple off-campus jobs, work study, and an internship to support myself (and invest for the future, where my parent's little money will not be there to help). I have a 3.9 GPA (might be bumped up this semester, too), take 15+ credit course loads, and am an active student in class discussions and my respective academic department.

        BUT I smoke weed EVERYDAY and partake in ALL the aforementioned drugs (not as regularly as weed, but I have definitely contributed to the black market in my short lifetime). NEWSFLASH: Doing drugs does not make you a bad/stupid person, holy shit! I am not 'entitled' to anything in the slightest, but I feel nothing but deep remorse for these guys and complete antipathy for the "War on Drugs."

        Most of these hostile arguments are founded on the presumption that 'drugs' are inherently bad by nature, failing to see how this conception is informed, propagated, legitimated by laws whose historical origin are also deeply rooted in xenophobic, racist, classist ideas about the 'purity' of the interrelations within the economic market. But seriously? No one should be telling you (yes, even the inescapable government and its mandatory laws) about what or what you cannot put in your own body. Don't give me some political science/public policy/economics bullshit about a 'social contract' with the government or the evils of the underground drug market -why the FUCK does the government have a say in the 'purity' of my body? Why the FUCK are drugs illegal?

        This situation has stirred up a clusterfuck of arguments: "they deserve it because its against the law... they are smart guys and they knew the consequences... they are entitled greedy frat guys who should have gotten real jobs... they are terrible people because they went beyond marijuana and sold cocaine which kills other people... they were involved with other shady drug criminals..." ---> Um, what the fuck? All of these arguments grossly misdirect the real issue and fail to implicate the problem of ethically appalling laws restricting the use, exchange, and proper education of drugs. Moreover, this restriction is forced both on our bodies and our minds -literally and metaphorically. Somehow, this logic seems to be okay for the majority of the population (including my parents, who would be appalled by my drug use).

        Yet hopefully there will be a day when human consciousness can claim jurisdiction on its own corporeal existence (and I don't mean tattoos). Drugs will be legal. Drug education will be supported. The drug market will be regulated. People will know/choose what to do with drugs and their bodies. I could go on with my fantastical idea of a future free of anti-drug laws, but I couldn't really say what will happen. All I know is that self-consciousness will change, the idea of government power will shift, legal enforcement will focus on more troubling issues, harmless people will not go to jail for selling or using drugs, people will not construct arguments about 'morality' based on the unquestioned acceptance of biased laws, my fucking tax money will not be going to fund $11,000 sting operations, my college will not be complicit with the 5-month long presence of undercover cops trying to incriminate drug-dealing, students, and I'll probably be less paranoid of cops.

        ...I didn't mean to divert from the reality at hand with this hopeless philosophical rant, but I thought I'd try to get my feelings across because all of this really made me upset. My heart goes out to these guys and everyone who is caught in the "War on Drugs." I can only cross my fingers and hope I'm not next.

  2. Columbia  

    please pool your money to save the Columbia 5. We can not let them go to Rickers.

  3. Spec  

    has additionally reported that each of the Columbia 5 is pleading not guilty. How can this possibly be? They must have hard evidence on them after 6 months of an undercover op. what a stupid move. i guess they really believe in their amazing lawyers.

  4. Anonymous

    This shit hurts so bad. More bright futures are darkened. More young people poised to change the world are silenced. All to "get drugs off the streets." Well done on that, justice system.

    ONE IN ONE-HUNDRED AMERICAN ADULTS ARE IN JAIL.
    ONE-THIRD OF AMERICAN ADULTS ARE IN PRISON, ON PAROLE, OR ON PROBATION.
    ONE-THIRD OF BLACK MEN END UP IN PRISON AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIVES.

    I'm starting to think the consequences of the War on Drugs are worse than the consequences of the drugs, themselves...

  5. Van Owen

    Sucks. I think going to Rickers will give them major street credibility. Jay Z say's it best:

    Came here for school, graduated to the high life
    Ball players, rap stars, addicted to the limelight
    MDMA got you feelin' like a champion
    The city never sleeps, better slip you an Ambien

    New York, concrete jungle where dreams are made of
    There's nothin' you can't do
    Now you're in New York
    These streets will make you feel brand new
    Big lights will inspire you
    Let's hear it for New York, New York,
    New York!

  6. Honestly  

    I'm sick of the jugement being flung around here today. So this is directed at everyone who mounted a high horse today.

    I'm pretty sure more than half of you do drugs yourself and the rest of you have things I'm sure you are not proud of. The point is, the world doesn't pry into your dirty laundry, so it isn't hanging out for everyone to see today. I can guarantee if it did you wouldn't look so good either.

    While these kids definitely made mistakes (and they sure as fuck are in the process of paying for them) they are not bad people. Knowing many of them individually I would go as far as saying they are exceptional, stand-up individuals.

    The reason they are being singled out today is the result of a misguided process of justice, a process that is attempting to do good but it demonizing and glorifying all the wrong ideals and devoting an enormous amount of resources and time to hurting the lives of kids who are as much victims as they are perpetrators. It is a fruitless system, which in the end only leads to a black market of drugs, and an atmosphere of violence and crime– the very one the are struggling to combat. Even "victories" like today only lead to a brief shake-up in the system, until another person seeking to meet the obvious demand steps up to supply, and I really dare somebody to make a decent case stating otherwise. While this perceived "happy" lull in drug usage may last a couple months, it will do nothing to curb the long-term drug problem on this campus. The lives of these kids, who like I said are mostly well-intentioned people who made a mistake, will be negatively affected for the foreseeable future. While I don't support drugs, or drug-usage (I am an admitted occasional user), I do support their legalization to avoid tragedies like today, and the tragedies that occur everyday in the black market and underworld fueled by their maintained criminality.

    To people who are appalled, disgusted, disappointed, or the less eloquent fuckers who simply put these kids down because they are the scapegoat in the spotlight today, shame on you. This is a spectacle that is meant to humiliate these kids as an example, but will only stand as an example of the failure of the current legal structure of drugs. If you are disgusted by drugs, and have an urge to see their presence diminished in your society, demonizing these kids is not the answer. These are the people you are trying to defend. So man up, look at the facts, and take responsibility for your own contributions to the problem.

    • Anonymous  

      thank you. i could not have put it better myself.

    • You're argument is terrible

      They broke the law. They were drug dealers. You say we should defending them. I do not strive to defend them or people like them. You call them "kids". They aren't; they are well educated adults. And they knew the consequences of their actions when they engaged in such behavior. And I don't want to hear sob stories oozing with sympathy about how they were driven to deal drugs because of the cost of tuition. Columbia has a comprehensive financial aid; it isn't perfect but it works. And I'm sorry, dealing thousands of dollars of drugs over an extended period of time is not a mistake made but some "well-intentioned kids" (as you put it). It's more than a mistake. These adult men were drug dealers. Pardon my language but I can't think of a less colorful way to express my sentiments. These scumbag pieces of shit profit off of others' addictions. Experimenting with drugs and getting hooked, that's a mistake. Profiting off of it is selfish, greedy and inhuman.

      And I'll grant you that the system is flawed. Some drugs ought to be legal. But guess what? (News Flash) they aren't. Whether or not you think possessing/selling/dealing/buying/doing drugs is moral or immoral, right or wrong, it doesn't change the fact that it's illegal. Breaking the law has legal consequences.

      And shame on these students for bringing this sort of negative attention to the University. Everyone knows how the media loves to slam Columbia. We try to pass some progressive policies regarding housing and the media slams us as endorsing couples to live together and have copious amounts of sex on our parents dime. So now, because these morons (and they are morons) decide to do something so incredible stupid, the media, once again, gets to bash the institution that I love and that has provided me with a chance at a brighter future than that of my parents. It's shameful. And they should be ashamed. And damn you for accusing honest people like myself for contributing to this problem.

      • WHOA WHOA WHOA  

        They are not well educated adults, if they were selling drugs to undercover cops. I mean a well educated adult would know at least that.

      • Anonymous  

        amen to that.

        believe it or not, there are a lot of us here that don't do drugs.

      • Anonymous  

        Amen.
        I think most of us will agree that the justice system is far from perfect. But these students chose to break the law, knowing perfectly well what the consequences would be.

      • Anonymous  

        The best part of your argument is the fact that whether or not you think they should be legalised, drugs ARE illegal! If you break the law be prepared to suffer the consequences

      • YEAH!

        I'm so glad that the NYPD is spending so much money and time dragging down some kid drug dealers at Columbia! I feel so much safer! There will never be a drug problem here again!

      • Anonymous

        How DARE you claim they are profiting off of others' addictions! LSD is NOT an addictive drug. Cocaine is a problem, yes, but only ONE of the suspects was selling cocaine. You can't lump all drugs together and say they're equally bad, just because they're equally illegal. In fact, cocaine is still Schedule II (used as a local anesthetic in some kinds of surgery), but it clearly has more addiction potential and health risks than many Schedule I drugs like LSD and psilocybin. This isn't as cut-and-dry as the law makes it out to be.

        I'm really shocked at how negative the feeling toward these boys has been. I just can't believe it... They were good people and they don't deserve this.

      • alum/casual drug user extraordinaire

        drug dealers don't principally make money off of others' addictions, especially dealers who are selling MDMA, weed, and LSD, all three of which are not physically addictive, not matter what your elementary school DARE class taught you. please educate yourself on drugs before you try to have a debate about the drug war.

        its people like you, who are so completely devoid of compassion, who make me ashamed of columbia.

    • Anonymous  

      Yeah they really seem like "stand up individuals." Get a hold of yourself. They were selling hard drugs. Marijuana is one thing, but MDMA, cocaine, and LSD are serious and are regulated for a reason. I'm sure the NYPD took them down to get to their supplier. Portraying them as simply "stepping up with supply to meet the present demand" is disingenuous and you know it. I am on financial aid, I work a legitimate job to make ends meet. By the sound of it, at least one of these people is rich enough that he has no need for a supplementary source of income. I agree that the war on drugs is misguided, but the fact is that these kids deserved to go down. I'm glad they are no longer a part of our community.

      • i know  

        each of them personally. NONE of them were using this money for tuition.

      • Anonymous

        so the one thing we all agree on is the legalization of weed.

      • Honestly  

        I continue to stand-by what I say about their character. If you were known to the college community by your mistakes alone, you would look just as bad. These people are more than just drug dealers, they are people who are friends and family to somebody.

        While they each have their own reasons for dealing, I'm not attempting to justify or rationalize any of them. They are wrong and deserve blame for their actions*. I am saying that the unbelievably overblown punishment and backlash they are receiving makes them a victim of a crappy system that creates it's own enemies with negative feedback loops. You take it upon yourself to judge them via a days worth of news reports. You are creating an individual out of a refined overdose of information on their wrongdoings and equating with people I am honored to call my friends.

        *As an aside. With the exception, none of the drugs you listed except cocaine are any more addictive the marijuana. Although alcohol dependency and nicotine addiction is well documented, yet the individuals, corporations and institutions that distribute these products and profit off of real addiction quite lucratively remain generally unregulated and free of criminal charges.

        • Anonymous  

          >a refined overdose of information
          >overdose

          Watch what you did there.

        • Okay homes..  

          lets get past the 'stop judging them' argument. Most of us here are open minded enough to not. We're passing judgment on their actions--wrong. And the humiliation is horrible, yes, and they may be suffering exponentially for a crime that many others commit because of a crappy system, but the fact of the matter is that you sign yourself up for this kind of punishment the instant you *choose* to do these things.

          It was a choice they made. While its unfortunate that they got caught and others get away with much worse, it's something they should have thought about, and I'm sure they did, when they got into the business to begin with.

      • Anonymous  

        You're glad those kids aren't a part of our community? THEY MADE OUR COMMUNITY. I'm so pissed I'm not gonna see Stephan chilling out at Butler with his legs up on the table-- that kid was everywhere. Those kids gave Columbia character. Now it's just another pissy institution with conservative pricks who stick their noses in the air and say "hmph, they deserved it." And it's not the kids who're bad--we're all fucking "bad" cause we MAKE THE DEMANDS, AND THEY SUPPLY--THIS IS THE MOST BASIC RULE OF ECONOMICS.

        • If by "character" you mean unchecked...

          douchebaggery, then yeah, these guys brought "character" to Columbia. And you cite Stephan as your evidence? Stephan?! Stephan is the worst! THE. WORST. Many of us knew this long before these allegations. If I were ever to lay eyes on the sight of his goddamned legs on a table in Butler, I would kick the legs out from under the chair while simultaneously snipping his ponytail off. Again, these feelings are in no way connected to his current legal woes.

        • speak

          for your freaking self dude. I don't demand anything from these guys.

          and fyi, the fact that I'm not a drug dealer does not make me an upper class white 'hmph'er. don't generalize, please.

    • anonymous alum

      Even Obama did hard drugs, y'all! It doesn't mean you're a bad person, it just means you're someone who can't perceive of being caught (ie under 25).

      Personally, I'm judging whoever it was who called Crimestoppers. Really? You were so offended by other people's business that you skipped over the Columbia administration and called it into the police? Really?! I just find it sad that these kids' prospects are going to be ruined as a result of some asshole's petty self-righteousness and offended morality.

      If you really can't control your need to police other peoples' personal lives, at least keep your snitching at a campus level. I mean honestly.

    • Van Owen

      They are frat boys...cry me a river. Serves them right. 5 douche bag losers. They world needs ditch diggers, so there you babies. These 5 are just stupid. They thought they were Pablo and ended up being FLAVA FLAV. I hope they show and tell their new Rickers Island facial scars to their Frats. PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST!

    • Anonymous

      Totally agree! I mean, why else would MyFoxNY be SOO interested in this?

    • UW  

      too long didn't read

    • Get real.  

      Sorry, but the shit I'm not proud of doesn't funnel money to drug dealers who want to kidnap and torture people.

      Just saying.

  7. Anonymous  

    honestly, the fact that their college education and prospects for the future have been thrown down the drain to make illegal money, when they would have been better off just sucking it up and taking the debt that comes with a Columbia education, is much more sad and disappointing than the amount of jail time that they will have.

  8. Maybe..  

    Obama will pardon them.

  9. well...  

    "Wymbs’ parents arrived at the Court today with a blank check for his bail."

    Swag.

  10. Anonymous

    Hey, they took the risk and made the money...now they have to pay the price. They were very open about selling in the frats. They put everyone in the frats in jeopardy for their selfish need to make the big bucks.
    Rikers has a beautiful view of the east river!

  11. Anonymous  

    I think Michael Wymbs wrote this after he was released on bail.

  12. Confused  

    Why is Bwog looking to Panhellenic Council for a statement? Doesn't that only cover the 4 sororities?

    It would be Intergreek Council or Interfraternity Council, who oversee the implicated fraternities that I'd expect to make an official comment about this.

    • Eliza  (Bwog Staff)  

      Yes, sorry, I went too fast. Should be clearer now.

      • ..I mean, come on  

        has anyone posted the fraternity affiliations of the five? it seems unfair to group all 3 in this equally if one, for example, had 3 of the 5 and the others only had 1 each- not that the others shouldnt be in trouble, but itd serve the public interest to identify the frats.

        To all those saying this reflects negatively on ALL the frats at columbia- you think in this many month long investigation they never wondered if other frats were doing the same thing??? They had access to greek life, evidently... this is a pretty good indicator that other frats weren't linked.

  13. ...  

    it's fascinating to see how uptight east coast people overreact to such minutia.

    hopefully they won't up up in prison, and hopefully they'll be given an opportunity to return to their studies. if not, then that speaks volumes about columbia's true priorities to me.

    • Columbia's priorities?q  

      This isn't the War on Fun. They weren't busted by Public Safety. NYPD nabbed them after a 5 month investigation and they're currently in jail. Columbia can't do anything; they're in the legal system now.

  14. Anonymous  

    he did benefit from the coke trade here back in the day..he knows what's up

  15. Anonymous

    I agree with the idea that the scope of this bust is like bringing a machine guy to a knife fight...but not as a means of getting to the suppliers. The C5 are not hardened criminals and have future careers to think of -- as a result they will likely roll over and provide whatever info/assistance is asked of them. It's probably a lot cheaper and less dangerous way for the NYPD to get higher up the distribution chain. And when all this is done, the C5 will pay fines, honor their probation and likely be productive members of society.

  16. Anonymous  

    "Where there are rich white people, there will be drugs."

  17. if I  

    were the C5, i would NOT snitch on the kingpins just to get outta jail time... you really want to live the rest of your life in fear? that shit is real, the drug scene is very very ugly.

  18. Confused Lock-Lover

    "Police unhinged the locks of Mike Wymbs’ EC suite to arrest him."

    The hinges of EC suites are on the inside of the door. Did they knock the door down?
    Also, did nobody tell the NYPD that there are master keys for the EC suites?

  19. Anonymous

    The C5 do not have to turn states evidence because their suppliers were already arrested.
    The only people they can snitch on are the folks they sold drugs to.
    Think about that!

  20. is Michael Wymbs  

    coming back to campus tonight?

  21. Anonymous

    does anyone know how many of these guys are jewish?

    • anonymous  

      WTF is wrong with you? Why is everyone gonna make this some racist shit? Someone already called Stephan a "spic" on one of the other news outlets and used this as proof that "illegal immigrants" are taking over, another commenter on bwog asked if they were all black, and now you're asking how many were Jewish?

      Get a grip, racist people, get a grip.

      • Anonymous

        wtf are you talking about? I'm just trying to see how many of the jewish suspects will get off with lighter sentences, as is usually the case in New York, with most of the judges and lawyers and the mayor being jewish. It's really an interesting observation to take part in. You should join in on the fun.

  22. Luis

    I just left the courthouse and they have yet to be arraigned. Bail could not have been set if they haven't seen a judge. They don't even have a docket number. Unless you can provide independent verification of these amounts(ie; a docket number) then I would suggest you remove this posting.

  23. Anonymous

    It could take 24 hours to appear before the arraignment part judge. Manhattan has a night court so its faster than the other boroughs. I'm just saying..

  24. test

    We must give all Columbia kids a drug test.

    Are there more around? Don't run away before the final. Let's get arrested.

  25. Anonymous

    just when Columbia moves up to fourth place on the US News college rankings.. this happens. THANKS A LOT

    • Anonymous

      Well, if you don't like your school's reputation, make your own.

      For real, this rankings obsession is insane.

      If you want respect, be respectable.

    • Anonymous

      i just feel that amongst the same columbia community, there are very smart, extremely hard-working students who really bring up the school's value with their efforts, while there are these douche bags that barely get into the school either through marginal grades/credentials or through money.. and then this.. WTF

  26. bc'11  

    can we have some more of the other news going on campus? thanks

  27. if only

    they had been arrested a couple weeks earlier they could have been cellmates with WEEZY... just looking at the bright side of incarceration

  28. Survey  

    I'm bored, so I'm running a survey to get some real data on this, respond please and I will make really shiny graphs for bwog.

    https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGxNWXg3bkJuVFdfMGxBZFR4Q3ZxUUE6MQ

    • Survey  

      I'm just curious about this group of people, I want numbers to go with these comments so I can quantify the reactions

      Note: any survey has errors, but I can calculate the error (I hope, I have to check some conditions/read my stat book over)

      tl;dr My brain like numbers, not comments,

  29. Anonymous

    Cheap publicity for Columbia. The ranking will go up for sure

  30. ###

    Who should resign in responding to this scandal in the campus? The President? The Provost? The Deans?
    The parents are very disappointed with the top who gets big salary but not doing the job.

  31. Anonymous  

    Are those public defenders or hired attorneys?

  32. Don't Feel Too Bad For Them  

    They're going to get so much ass for this...and I'm not making a prison joke, they won't be there (nearly) long enough for that, I'm talking about when they get out

  33. anonymous annoying law student

    Hey Bwog, Just an FYI - You don't "motion to suppress." You move to suppress. Motion is not a verb.

  34. Columbia  

    Use Their Columbia Tuitions to Pay For Their Bail

  35. check out  

    this high flying jewish lawyers they hired

  36. Anonymous

    wait, what about finals??

  37. OMG

    I WANT A BATTERING RAM.

  38. Anonymous

    Also - Michael Bachner is a pretty big shot NY defense attorney for white collar crimes - he's the representation for Caroline Giuliani (Giuliani's daughter - caught shoplifting back in August).

  39. Anonymous

    Public safety aided in facilitating the arrests?! There is something totally wrong with this picture. THIS IS COLLEGE. If there are drugs being sold and used here, that makes us exactly like HUNDREDS OF OTHER LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES where public safety is there to PROTECT the students NOT INDICT THEM. Of all the drug rings in the city, the police have chosen to target Columbia for reasons beyond safety: the fact that it was called Operation Ivy League reveals it was about arresting a few spoiled ivy leaguers as opposed to really doling out justice. This has nothing to do with our safety.

    Not to mention, lets talk about the REAL REASON this happened: TUITION IS SO DAMN HIGH! Columbia is the most expensive school in the world, not exaggerating.

    PUBLIC SAFETY should PROTECT US, not AID IN OUR ARREST. And tuition should be lowered by a few thousand to where Yale, Harvard, Princeton and others have it ($33,000 instead of $39,000) .

    Kthxbye.

  40. Have a heart, you assholes  

    Whatever your position is on the legalization of drugs, these kids are people that we went to classes with, partied with and maybe even know as friends. They're probably scared shitless right now, locked up with criminals who've committed far worse crimes than they have, facing the fact that their once glowing futures are irreparably tarnished.

    Ive been there, and wouldn't wish this experience on anyone else: summer before enrolling at Columbia, I was arrested and spent the night in jail. It was a harrowing experience for many reasons--letting my parents and family down, risking my acceptance into Columbia, thoughts of "how did I let myself get to this," etc, not to mention the terror and intimidation of having to be locked up with actual convicts.

    The point is: everyone makes mistakes, and sometimes the temptation of money and profit allows a moral slippage (anyone going into banking, im talking to you...kidding!) that can spin out of control. These people are not "selfish, greedy and inhuman" for selling drugs to other students who are capable of making their own decisions (and would have found a means to procure drugs from other channels, if these kids werent involved). They are certainly not "scumbag pieces of shit" and whatever other heartless, disgusting names that people are throwing at them, under the cowardly blanket of anonymity.

    Ive interacted with drug dealers both off the street and in school, and while the former indeed tend to be manipulative, hardened sleazebags (Im thinking in particular about a particular "art teacher" who was arrested last year) who make a living from other people's addictions, the student variations are pretty much just like you and me, juggling classes and homework, while selling drugs out of the temptation of very lucrative profits. Im not saying what they did was right--but I think it's important to differentiate these kids from the criminals that put lives in danger (like the psycho East Village dealer). Where these kids went wrong was in giving in to the lure of economic profit--but who hasn't been there, in some way or another?

    so in response to all this mudslinging and name calling (and frankly it's quite disgusting and self-obsessive that people are worrying about the "tarnished image" of their beloved degrees)--shut the fuck up, thanks. no one is saying that these students are above the law (and they probably told cops that they were selling to make ends meet out of fear. you say a lot of shit under interrogation, hoping to get clemency), but whether they "deserve to go down" or not is really not up to you to judge.

    the fact is that they're all in a seriously fucked situation that will continue to haunt them long after we graduate and get our spiffy jobs. they're alone and scared in jail cells right now, and as members of our community, the least we can do is not trample them when theyre down and spew vitriolic criticism at kids who made some really dumb mistakes.

    • Anonymous

      "the summer before enrolling at Columbia, I was arrested and spent the night in jail"

      Did you get arrested for SELLING DRUGS? Specifically, cocaine, ecstasy, and LSD? I have no sympathy for them. They knew what they were doing. They knew the consequences. If they were short on money, they should have gotten a legit job, like the rest of us schmoes. And considering that Mr. Wymbs' parents showed up with a blank check, and some are getting high-priced lawyers, some of these kids didn't need to deal drugs. Fuck them. Put the fear of God or FSM or whatever in them while they take their vacation in Rikers. Fuck them all.

      • Take an English class  

        to brush up on your close reading skills.

        One of my points was that they probably said they sold drugs to pay tuition out of fear and panic, trying to get an angle that would win them leniency. obviously it's backfiring because of their upper-middle-class background or whatever, but you cant base your entire criticism on that single statement.

        & nope, wasnt arrested for dealing drugz, just for beating some sense into pricks with 0% sensitivity...oops!

    • Since when  

      does Stephan Vincenzo know the meaning of "fear?"

      Hehehe...


      On the bright side, hopefully this will make good V-Show material.

  41. ###

    "And tuition should be lowered by a few thousand to where Yale, Harvard, Princeton and others have it ($33,000 instead of $39,000) ."

    Be realistic, please! We have to pay for the high salary of the President and the Deans using our tuition.

  42. Alum

    These drug dealers' friends need to step the f off - their friends were not dealing dimes, they have long had their second chance, and this is not 'good people making one mistake' this is a long series of stupid mistakes!

    Every time a friend posts deluded diatribes about the harmless nature of drugs, and that these 20 year olds are victims of "ignorant" public policies that waste money that could be spent on pre-schools and teletubbies, it further reduces any legitimacy these "Columbia 5" (stupid freaking name, let's not buy into it) may have.

    So many of these Bwog comments talk about the "real world" yet show no understanding of it. Every comment about how great these guys are is just bringing more attention to how screwed up they were! If you're really their friend, STFU!!!! Before you end up as evidence for the prosecution!

    • Anonymous  

      real friends try to talk friends out of doing stupid shit that can ruin them for life.

      • Anonymous  

        Don't pretend that you've never smoked weed. WHO'S WORSE, THE PERSON WHO SELLS THE DRUGS, OR THE PERSON THAT SEEKS THEM OUT?

        • Anonymous  

          actually i haven't, nice try though. and if i ever tried to sell OR buy drugs, my friends would kill me. so to all you so called "friends" and "brothers" etc, where were you guys when they were making the hugest mistake of their lives? yeah it's easy to make comments on bwog defending them but if you knew about it at the time and didn't try to stop it, what does that make you?

  43. Anonymous  

    They weren't financing their education. They got greedy and wanted to make money fast. And if money is all they wanted, they would have been much better off if they had waited for a couple of more years and made money on wall street.

  44. damn!  

    michael wymbs is loaded. first he posts 70k+ for bail then he hires michael bachner as his defense attorney? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? something tells me he is going to get off with a slap on the wrist.

  45. FROM THE OVERLORDS

    COLUMBIA HEAR THIS!
    DO NOT SMOKE WEED.
    DO NOT SNORT COKE.
    DO NOT TRY LSD.
    DO NOT DRINK.
    DO NOT HAVE FUN.
    DO NOT HAVE FUN.
    YOU WILL BE PUNISHED.
    YOU ARE BAD.
    END TRANSMISSION.

  46. the  

    C5 was NOT using this money for tuition, let me make that perfectly clear.

  47. Anonymous

    Columbia kids are mostly money minded because of the influence of the Business School. Yet these five came up with a much faster way of making big bucks......

  48. Anonymous

    Ha. These kids got what they deserved. It continuously pisses me off seeing these spoiled kids on campus thinking they can do whatever the hell they want.

    Some people just don't appreciate the opportunities and doors that this school can open up for them and instead do something so stupid like this.

    Get a job. Learn the value and reap the benefits of good ol' hard work.

  49. data

    http://eric.ed.gov/PDFS/ED381054.pdf
    Kuh, G. D., Pascarella, E. T., & Wechsler, H. (1996). The questionable value of fraternities. Chronicle of Higher Education, 42(32), A68.

  50. Anonymous  

    To all the people that keep insisting that we support these guys: I'd certainly have an easier time feeling bad for them if they had been only dealing small-time stuff. Personally, I support weed legalization, and some may be able to make convincing arguments about how non-harmful the other drugs may be, but cocaine is serious stuff. It kills people, and certainly puts these kids in a whole different level of dealing.
    Also, "Columbia 5" is a stupid name... It makes them sound like political prisoners, which they are definitely not.

  51. Anonymous  

    Unfortunately for the others, only one of them was actually dealing any cocaine (and in small amounts, I hear). It was mostly small-time weed dealing for a few bucks. Sad.

  52. Van Owen

    Welll, Obviously....

    They climbin' in your windows
    They snatchin' your people up
    tryna rape em so y’all need to
    hide yo Weed, hide yo Coke
    hide yo Weed, hide yo Coke
    hide yo Weed hide yo Coke
    and hide yo Ecstasy
    cuz they takin all our shit out here
    the Columbia 5 don’t have to come and confess
    They lookin for you
    They went and found you
    They done gon fond you
    so you can run and tell that,
    run and tell that run and tell that,
    homeboys home, home, homeboys they got yo columbia & frat t-shirts
    you all done left yo fingerprints and all
    you all are so dumb
    you all are so really dumb ... for real
    the man got all yalls cash and yalls weed and you left behind evidence
    Run and tell that homeboys...

    Columbia...tougher then leather, bitches.

    Word

  53. shit.

    guess i'll have to go into east harlem to get my cocaine and LSD now.

  54. question  

    this may be a stupid question, but will they be expelled from columbia?

    maybe it will make a difference whether or not they were selling drugs in dorms...

  55. i think

    it was the rival coke dealer who called crimestoppers out of fear of being kidnapped

  56. Two things...  

    A Pike in Riker's Island isn't necessarily a bad thing.

    Why do I get the feeling that Columbia is finally going to get that 114th Street office building it's been wanting?

  57. Anonymous  

    Where the fuck is the rally at? Fucking people need to mobilize and move.

  58. hornyyy  

    admit it though...we still all love pike.

  59. Anonymous  

    I bet the investigation all started when C5's bank statements were leaked onto wikileaks

  60. Anonymous  

    I’m so pissed I’m not gonna see Stephan chilling out at Butler with his legs up on the table– that kid was everywhere. Those kids gave Columbia character. Now it’s just another pissy institution with conservative pricks who stick their noses in the air and say “hmph, they deserved it.” And it’s not the kids who’re bad–we’re all fucking “bad” cause we MAKE THE DEMANDS, AND THEY SUPPLY–THIS IS THE MOST BASIC RULE OF ECONOMICS.

  61. Anonymous  

    I understand that a lot of kids here do weed, participate in underaged drinking, and that you guys might be commenting on this posts, BUT there are those of us who don't engage in these risky behaviors. To say that this happened to these "poor guys" is idiotic! DRUGS ARE BAD FOR YOU! DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE ANY IDEA THAT YOU ARE FUCKING WITH YOUR BRAIN WHEN YOU SMOKE WEED OR BINGE DRINK? Why the fuck do you fuck up your body WHEN YOU KNOW IT'S BAD FOR YOU? DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL UNDERAGED DRINKING IS ILLEGAL YET YOU PARTICIPATE IN IT! I am so glad that they were arrested maybe it'll set an example for any other fuckers who are dealing drugs on this campus.

  62. Anonymous  

    Fuck 'em. They were preying on those who needed a supply and hurting themselves, and they were making a profit off it. Let 'em rot.

  63. Anonymous

    Oh, I see. So... it's anti-Semitic to observe that Jewish people give lighter sentences to other Jewish people, but it's cool and progressive to observe that white people give lighter sentences to white people?

    Every group makes allowances for their own. That's not racism at all, it's just the way of the world.

  64. stephan vincenzo  

    has been trying to make a name for himself before he even arrived at Columbia... looks like he finally got his wish.

  65. Anonymous  

    11TH CELL ENTERTAINMENT: Butt sex with stephen

  66. daaaamn  

    Daaamn that Wymbs kid must have money. Bachner is a pretty big-time lawyer. Can't be cheap.

  67. Bright Side  

    At least this has supplanted the media making fun of the Social Experiment...

  68. soooo  

    those kids are sitting in prison right now while i pound away at my seminar paper in butler? not so different eh?

  69. soooo  

    " “A lot of my friends got involved heavily with drugs, a lot of my friends dropped out of school, ended up in jail, ended up in gangs.”"
    -Stephan Vincenzo

  70. Inmate Information

    http://a072-web.nyc.gov/inmatelookup/inmateDetailAction.do?bookcasenumber=3601000319

    Change the last two digits in the url to 20 thru 23 for the other guys.

    Aw. We can send them money.

  71. Anonymous

    The drugs that people consume here are tarnished with the blood of the almost 30 000 people who have died in Mexico in the war with the Cartels. It also stenches of the fear of the people in Mexico (and South America) who's freedoms have been reduced due to the war (e.g. leaving your home not knowing if you'll be killed in a random shooting or if you'll be kidnapped).

    Reducing consumption (demand) helps more than reducing the supply given that this are inelastic goods.

    Think about that.

  72. Anonymous

    oops *these are inelastic goods

  73. analum

    Study boys and girls. Take advantage of the fact that you're at a fine university, and don't let anything steal your chance at a fine education.

  74. Anonymous

    legalization of ALL types of drugs?

  75. Anonymous  

    I talked to Dee, the security guard, she said they are being expelled and banned from campus.

  76. I don't

    Really understand why everyone is so shocked. This is how drug busts work. You go all the way down the chain, get a strong enough case against the distributors so that they'll testify against the suppliers and so on up until you get the real big guys.

  77. Anonymous  

    "Such a heavenly feelin' I get when I'm taking fat ass blunts to the brain"
    bone thugs and harmony

  78. embarrassed  

    but not for the same reasons as the rest of you.

    for all this talk about tarnishing the columbia reputation and all that our ivy league education has afforded us, you seem to have no problem throwing around racial and religious stereotypes. and for what, because it's funny to you? or worse, because you actually believe it? that is the true embarrassment to this community...total ignorance and irreverence of supposedly educated adults

    • dude  

      its god dman fact, every one of those lawyers is a jew, explain that away...

      • embarrassed  

        would you feel the need to point out the religion of their lawyers if they were all christians? my bet is no. The prospect of sitting in a classroom with someone so blinded by his own prejudice is far more embarrassing than anything the accused are charged with.

        but for the sake of argument, i'll play along. let's assume the lawyers are all jewish. what does this mean in terms of their profession? that they worked hard in college to be able to get into law school. that they worked even harder to pay for and stay in law school (given how racist i know you are, don't even attempt to say their parents paid for it, because you have absolutely no evidence to support that claim). after law school they worked hard to get jobs. and now because of their exemplary work ethic and professional and intellectual success, you feel that this is somehow all because of the religion their parents raised them to practice? if all of that could somehow be attributed to being jewish, why is that such a bad thing for you to live with?

        the point is irrelevant though, because at the end of the day, you have no idea what religion they practice. you are racist and an embarrassment to the columbia community.

  79. consider:  

    stephan fake-named himself in honor of james vincenzo capone (al's brother). james was a legendary prohibition agent who locked up a lotta guys who sold alcohol illegally.

    huh?

  80. Dear Bwog  

    Can you tag this as part of your "War on Fun" category? If it wasn't for chronic I'd be one stressed out little guy right now.

  81. Dear Bwog  

    Can you tag this as part of your "War on Fun" category? If it wasn't for chronic I wouldn't be watching Aqua music videos on youtube until 4am

  82. Anonymous  

    so what about them Yankees?

  83. Anon  

    it's sad to think that members of the Columbia community have to spend time at Riker's tonight. our condolences and hopes go out to them and their families.

    in other news, i love my girlfriend!

  84. Alumna

    What a horrible way to throw away the type of privilege so many people would give an arm and a leg to have.

    If Coles' parents are both lawyers then I doubt he was selling drugs to pay tuition.

  85. Chronic Ironic

    Cheap Laugh - check the industry listed on Wymbs' LinkedIn profile:
    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mike-wymbs/14/a87/651

  86. '11

    I talked to my dad who does a lot of criminal work mostly drug related. Sentences will vary a lot depending on the drugs involved. 40 grams of cocaine is a lot and. Typical sentence is on the order of 20 years. LSD and MDMA are around 10 years for the quantities purchased and recovered. Marijuana and aderall around around 3 to 5 years. Parole can shave off about 20 percent of the sentences and they'll likely get a 30 to 50 percent reduction for taking a plea, I believe they have no priors.

  87. ruh roh

    Just did some research...

    Chris Coles is being charged with Class C(1), D(2), and E(4) felonies and Class A(1) and B(1) misdemeanors (7 to 17.5 years in prison).

    Harrison David has Class A-II, B, E (7) felonies and Class A(1) and B(1) misdemeanors (12 to 32.5 years in prison).

    Adam Klein has Class D(2) felony and Class B(1) Misdemeanor (2 to 5 years in prison).

    Jose Perez has Class D(4) and E(1) felonies and a Class B(1) misdemeanor (5 to 11.5 years in prison).

    Michael Wymbs has Class D(6) felonies and Class B(1) misdemeanor (6 to 15 years in prison).

    Now, they haven't been convicted of anything yet and maybe some charges will be dropped or lessened in degree once they 'cooperate'. This is just the average jail sentence for a first-time offender added concurrently for each offense.

    This is well beyond not getting to come back to Columbia...they're going to be in prison for a while...some of them maybe well over a decade.

  88. Anonymous  

    I just feel bad for them. We all do make mistakes. Their futures are ruined forever. Have some sympathy.

  89. well  

    hope they had a good night in Rickers!!!! and many more!

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