@arrrggghh The aritcle wasnt about abortion per se, it wasnt even much about the University paying for it, its focus (which is neither pro abortion or pro life) is the hypocrisy of the University policy which requires a guardian to sign certain documents for students who are underage (acceptance letters, other things that under age students need their parents signatures on), yet allows minors, without parental consent to abort a fetus. I would venture to say that aborting a fetus is a bigger decision than signing a college acceptance letter, but you can debate that point.
That, in essence was what the article was about it appears, so if you decide to criticize Chris, or his positions, please realize what you are arguing/debating.
@Stella the show I really hope that the Stella group is talking about the TV show…because they were funny, and I’d certainly vote for someone with that level of political acumen – were I a first-year and/or cared about CCSC.
Damn Comedy Central for not picking up the second season.
it’s scary how low these “open minded liberals” can be. I disagree with Kulawik pretty often, but in the end, he only looks better when compared to this petty crap.
Here, let me try one:
“You suck your thumb at night; I know this because I watch you when you sleep”
Amazing what you can make up on an anonymous message board
@poster 13 the relevant cost is not the cost of abortions to the insurance agency; it’s the marginal cost of insuring against this as part of cu’s deal w/ its insurance provider.
that second cost (the only meaningful one) is the one i was talking about.
@hmm I can’t say I understand why there is so much hatred for Kulawik’s column. It’s consistently one of the best-written editorials on campus. I rarely, if ever, agree with him. He’s still a better writer than 90-95% of the Spec’s columnists.
@hmm I can’t say I understand why there is so much hatred for Kulawik’s column. It’s consistently one of the best-written editorials on campus. I rarely, if ever, agree with him. He’s still a better writer than 90-95% of the Spec’s columnists.
@haha you really think this is a “far right” position? He never argued against the abortion policy, but only if/as it applies to minors (if I read it correctly). Go take a trip to, well, 34 or so states in the middle of this country – then you’ll find a “far right” position on the issue, but yeah, this is def. not his “audience”
@re: bwooooog “Instead, the $500 contribution toward the abortion will come from their Health Services Fee, a per semester payment of some $350. This math, however, does not add up. The remaining $150 or so must come from somewhere else. Whether Columbia draws these funds directly from other students or just adds to the health system’s financial burden and takes from its coffers, there is an undeniable cost to be paid. ”
The cost is nowhere near 500/abortion and doesn’t come from the Health Service Fee. That’s what I mean. Of course, you can argue that’s not a key point in his argument, but then his article reduces to the acknowledgement that legal medical procedures are covered by medical insurance. That’s hardly a shocker.
@um his point was obviously that some of the abortion costs exceed the health insurance payment which is probably true considering abortions can cost upwards 300
@re: um exceed what health insurance payment? health insurance is not a flat payment!
and as for 2: i’m sure it does bother some students that abortions are covered by health insurance. it probably bothers more students that affirmative action is funded by tuition.
columbia’s still right about both. (i’m such a troll.)
@it seems to be a moot point on *this* campus, but for this 1) “elective” procedure (is that the correct term?) to be 2) covered university insurance (which places a burden on all students) is troublesome for some (go talk to Columbia Catholics for Life), especially since the policy is designed 3) to get “around” parents.
@moph Columbia’s only indirectly paying for the abortions Kulawik mentions. Unless I’m misunderstanding what he’s talking about, it’s covered under the University’s insurance policies, and so it gets passed through to Chickering.
@bwooooog which i believe he accounts for, as it adds to the university fiancial burden/costs – he never said the money was coming directly from his pocket (as Bwooooog would have us think).
@he never clamed it was illegal (read the article), but if you really think that it’s not an ethical issue, please see the last 40 years of American politics
@jjjj While it’s always interesting to allow Kulawik to indulge his conservative wet dreams, no Parental Consent act is even close to passing in New York State. This hardly seems relevant.
Abortion is unquestionably one of the most difficult, painful decisions a woman can face. Like any other medical procedure, it is covered by the Health Services fee. There’s nothing the least bit illegal or ethically about that.
@A Thought Do you ever get the impression that Kulawik chooses topics solely to generate hate mail? There’s no point in talking about how idiotic this piece is.
@i'm sorry while in the past i’ve agreed abot pieces he’s written (freshman, just search his name for last year’s pieces) how is this piece not wholly relevant?
There is obviously some other source for abortion payments and the upcoming issue of parental notification is huge. It’s actually quite relevant to point the issue to columbia health services, which does a great job creating an understanding atmosphere in case a student does need an abortion.
Also kulawik doesn’t say much that is controversial-at worst he claims that many people might have a problem footing the bill and asks what columbia will do in case a parental notification act passes. Pretty sober stuff. I know that there’s a good segment of the bwog which has a pavlovian reaction to the name kulawik but making an ad hom attack and them claiming you won’t even present a fictional argument won’t work on one of his rare good pieces (his military discrimination one was also good).
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@arrrggghh The aritcle wasnt about abortion per se, it wasnt even much about the University paying for it, its focus (which is neither pro abortion or pro life) is the hypocrisy of the University policy which requires a guardian to sign certain documents for students who are underage (acceptance letters, other things that under age students need their parents signatures on), yet allows minors, without parental consent to abort a fetus. I would venture to say that aborting a fetus is a bigger decision than signing a college acceptance letter, but you can debate that point.
That, in essence was what the article was about it appears, so if you decide to criticize Chris, or his positions, please realize what you are arguing/debating.
@Stella the show I really hope that the Stella group is talking about the TV show…because they were funny, and I’d certainly vote for someone with that level of political acumen – were I a first-year and/or cared about CCSC.
Damn Comedy Central for not picking up the second season.
@someone kulawik doesn’t flush after he pees. i know because i live on his floor.
@Post 28 & 29 = same person
it’s scary how low these “open minded liberals” can be. I disagree with Kulawik pretty often, but in the end, he only looks better when compared to this petty crap.
Here, let me try one:
“You suck your thumb at night; I know this because I watch you when you sleep”
Amazing what you can make up on an anonymous message board
@hmmmm let me try one
“_____ does ______. I know this because _______”
why bother filling it out, can’t prove i’m wrong.
@Extra Extra Poster boy for Prochoice writes Prolife article
@Person If I wasn’t in in SEAS, I’d totally vote (do) that first guy. Model U.N./ open nerdiness rock.
@poster 13 the relevant cost is not the cost of abortions to the insurance agency; it’s the marginal cost of insuring against this as part of cu’s deal w/ its insurance provider.
that second cost (the only meaningful one) is the one i was talking about.
@hmm I can’t say I understand why there is so much hatred for Kulawik’s column. It’s consistently one of the best-written editorials on campus. I rarely, if ever, agree with him. He’s still a better writer than 90-95% of the Spec’s columnists.
@hmm I can’t say I understand why there is so much hatred for Kulawik’s column. It’s consistently one of the best-written editorials on campus. I rarely, if ever, agree with him. He’s still a better writer than 90-95% of the Spec’s columnists.
@well he’s writing from a political viewpoint which is not favored on this campus. and he’s really on the far right end of that set of views too
@haha you really think this is a “far right” position? He never argued against the abortion policy, but only if/as it applies to minors (if I read it correctly). Go take a trip to, well, 34 or so states in the middle of this country – then you’ll find a “far right” position on the issue, but yeah, this is def. not his “audience”
@re; CU bills If I’m right, sorta neither. It’s something that Columbia is insured against, rather than that individual students are insured against.
@re: bwooooog “Instead, the $500 contribution toward the abortion will come from their Health Services Fee, a per semester payment of some $350. This math, however, does not add up. The remaining $150 or so must come from somewhere else. Whether Columbia draws these funds directly from other students or just adds to the health system’s financial burden and takes from its coffers, there is an undeniable cost to be paid. ”
The cost is nowhere near 500/abortion and doesn’t come from the Health Service Fee. That’s what I mean. Of course, you can argue that’s not a key point in his argument, but then his article reduces to the acknowledgement that legal medical procedures are covered by medical insurance. That’s hardly a shocker.
@um his point was obviously that some of the abortion costs exceed the health insurance payment which is probably true considering abortions can cost upwards 300
@good Q I followed up on those “Ask Alice” links he mentioned; they say it often costs MORE than 500 bucks – in NY at least
@re: um exceed what health insurance payment? health insurance is not a flat payment!
and as for 2: i’m sure it does bother some students that abortions are covered by health insurance. it probably bothers more students that affirmative action is funded by tuition.
columbia’s still right about both. (i’m such a troll.)
@LOL i smell a troll
@it seems to be a moot point on *this* campus, but for this 1) “elective” procedure (is that the correct term?) to be 2) covered university insurance (which places a burden on all students) is troublesome for some (go talk to Columbia Catholics for Life), especially since the policy is designed 3) to get “around” parents.
@see post 20
@moph Columbia’s only indirectly paying for the abortions Kulawik mentions. Unless I’m misunderstanding what he’s talking about, it’s covered under the University’s insurance policies, and so it gets passed through to Chickering.
@bwooooog which i believe he accounts for, as it adds to the university fiancial burden/costs – he never said the money was coming directly from his pocket (as Bwooooog would have us think).
@CU bills students for both CU Health Svcs and Chickering Insurance.. which “umbrella” does this fall under?
@he never clamed it was illegal (read the article), but if you really think that it’s not an ethical issue, please see the last 40 years of American politics
@jjjj While it’s always interesting to allow Kulawik to indulge his conservative wet dreams, no Parental Consent act is even close to passing in New York State. This hardly seems relevant.
Abortion is unquestionably one of the most difficult, painful decisions a woman can face. Like any other medical procedure, it is covered by the Health Services fee. There’s nothing the least bit illegal or ethically about that.
@this is untrue this is untrue as there are bills in both chambers on the issue
@Anna The first link is fixed!
@he freely admits to that
@A Thought Do you ever get the impression that Kulawik chooses topics solely to generate hate mail? There’s no point in talking about how idiotic this piece is.
@LOL LOL @ civil debate (or lack there of)
@i'm sorry while in the past i’ve agreed abot pieces he’s written (freshman, just search his name for last year’s pieces) how is this piece not wholly relevant?
There is obviously some other source for abortion payments and the upcoming issue of parental notification is huge. It’s actually quite relevant to point the issue to columbia health services, which does a great job creating an understanding atmosphere in case a student does need an abortion.
Also kulawik doesn’t say much that is controversial-at worst he claims that many people might have a problem footing the bill and asks what columbia will do in case a parental notification act passes. Pretty sober stuff. I know that there’s a good segment of the bwog which has a pavlovian reaction to the name kulawik but making an ad hom attack and them claiming you won’t even present a fictional argument won’t work on one of his rare good pieces (his military discrimination one was also good).
@bwooooog that article was pretty tame; he didn’t flame the issue, nor should you respond as such
@anado fyi first year link is dead.