@again read: all the Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Biology majors are in CC, and it is a hell of a lot harder to get into CC than it is to SEAS. So it’s just as likely that CC majors are doing all those things you said than SEAS kids, if not more likely.
However, I must say something that has really been bothering me. People need to wear their mortar boards FLAT on their heads. I think people push them back, until they are practically vertical, because they think that looks better or they don’t want to mess up their hair. The right way to wear them is flat on your head, and it looks SO strange to push them back!
Seriously, if ask a hundred different people about BC’s place in the University, you’ll get a hundred different answers. It’s been this way since 1900. Just accept it and move on–chances are, it isn’t actually impacting your life in any way, except that it allows you to eat flatbread pizza at Hewitt instead of John Jay’s mystery meat.
@Anyway, I’m not one to usually indulge in the game of self-flattery on the grounds of membership in CC, and I like the fact that an undergraduate education at Columbia University is not the sole reserve of the usual CC student, and I think it should remain that way. I should also say that I think there are many things about the way that BC is run that one particular school on the other side of Broadway should take a close look at… But the reasons why many students object to the frequent expropriation of the “Columbia” name by Barnard are very obvious, and justifiable.
@Seriously? Do you really think that is true? Seeing as like 20% of engineers minor in Econ, we’re all pretty well informed on this topic and engineering classes almost across the board are harder than Econ classes.
@DHI I am sure that many people from one group of people will be smarter than many people from another group of people, but on the other hand many people from the other group will be smarter than many people from one group.
@are they? Physics, Chemistry, Biology, and Math are all in CC. Not to mention the fact that getting into Columbia stating your intent to pursue Econ will instantly get you into a much more competitive pool than if you apply to SEAS. The top kids in Econ are world beaters, as evidenced by the fact that so many of the last few valedictorians/salutatorians, PBKs and Rhodes/Marshall scholars are in part-Econ majors (as opposed to other humanities). Besides, where are all the famous and accomplished SEAS alums?
@many seas alum are accomplished, few as famous. don’t trash with such sweeping vanity. when was the last time you met your subway architect, atomic bomb builder, inventor of radio, founder of IBM, CEO’s of citibank, xerox, boeing-IDS, nobel prize winner merton, not to mention the PLETHORA of other jobs that engineers do to support your sorry bum!
honestly what do YOU want to do with your humanities degree? and why is it so much more important than learning about environmental sustainability, modeling financial crisis, learning to apply math to water problems, building green cars, creating nanoparticles to mend your body…
one of the many things that I have found intolerable at Columbia during my years is the utter disdain and lack of appreciation of those engineers who have put SWEAT and ENERGY into the pursuit of a strong engineering education. it is an education meant to save you, and our future. it is an education that our nation and globe needs. i have a hint that it is people like you, and your vain self-congratulation by CC kids who are falsely entitled, that have made our own CC alum, Obama disregard this school so. Just chase your menagerie and your ivory tower so that the rest of us “lowlies” can have at your scraps. take THAT foie gras and eat it (forcibly).
@CC09 Even if I hadn’t done CUE, I would have thought Sarah Besnoff made the best speech. Congratulations Sarah, and let me know when I can make a campaign donation!
@yes. that must be why the university doesn’t confer our degrees, let us take CU classes or recognize our existence in any way. same way for teacher’s college. you really hit the nail on the head.
@No one actually said that, and most BC students that I know think of their school as being more separate. However, it is true that Barnard students earn Columbia degrees and take our classes. The official name of their school is Barnard College of Columbia University for a reason.
@Point taken. However, Barnard may fall under the general umbrella of Columbia in name, but there are things that clearly demarcate it from the way CC, SEAS and GS belong to Columbia. It is pointless to pretend that those things don’t exist.
@holy crap Holder was amazing. Witty, not too lengthy, not at all dry, meaningful. I wish he was my uncle. Or I guess I can settle for him being my Attorney General.
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@again read: all the Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Biology majors are in CC, and it is a hell of a lot harder to get into CC than it is to SEAS. So it’s just as likely that CC majors are doing all those things you said than SEAS kids, if not more likely.
@congrats! Congrats to all the graduates!
However, I must say something that has really been bothering me. People need to wear their mortar boards FLAT on their heads. I think people push them back, until they are practically vertical, because they think that looks better or they don’t want to mess up their hair. The right way to wear them is flat on your head, and it looks SO strange to push them back!
@'09 everyone really needs to just chill the hell out.
@columbia sux jk it’s alright
@How many times has this argument happened?
Seriously, if ask a hundred different people about BC’s place in the University, you’ll get a hundred different answers. It’s been this way since 1900. Just accept it and move on–chances are, it isn’t actually impacting your life in any way, except that it allows you to eat flatbread pizza at Hewitt instead of John Jay’s mystery meat.
@Anyway, I’m not one to usually indulge in the game of self-flattery on the grounds of membership in CC, and I like the fact that an undergraduate education at Columbia University is not the sole reserve of the usual CC student, and I think it should remain that way. I should also say that I think there are many things about the way that BC is run that one particular school on the other side of Broadway should take a close look at… But the reasons why many students object to the frequent expropriation of the “Columbia” name by Barnard are very obvious, and justifiable.
@SEAS kids are smarter anyway.
seriously..
engineering: hard.
economics: hahaha
@actually I found it easier to get A+’s in Engg than in Econ.
@Seriously? Do you really think that is true? Seeing as like 20% of engineers minor in Econ, we’re all pretty well informed on this topic and engineering classes almost across the board are harder than Econ classes.
@DHI I am sure that many people from one group of people will be smarter than many people from another group of people, but on the other hand many people from the other group will be smarter than many people from one group.
@are they? Physics, Chemistry, Biology, and Math are all in CC. Not to mention the fact that getting into Columbia stating your intent to pursue Econ will instantly get you into a much more competitive pool than if you apply to SEAS. The top kids in Econ are world beaters, as evidenced by the fact that so many of the last few valedictorians/salutatorians, PBKs and Rhodes/Marshall scholars are in part-Econ majors (as opposed to other humanities). Besides, where are all the famous and accomplished SEAS alums?
@many seas alum are accomplished, few as famous. don’t trash with such sweeping vanity. when was the last time you met your subway architect, atomic bomb builder, inventor of radio, founder of IBM, CEO’s of citibank, xerox, boeing-IDS, nobel prize winner merton, not to mention the PLETHORA of other jobs that engineers do to support your sorry bum!
honestly what do YOU want to do with your humanities degree? and why is it so much more important than learning about environmental sustainability, modeling financial crisis, learning to apply math to water problems, building green cars, creating nanoparticles to mend your body…
one of the many things that I have found intolerable at Columbia during my years is the utter disdain and lack of appreciation of those engineers who have put SWEAT and ENERGY into the pursuit of a strong engineering education. it is an education meant to save you, and our future. it is an education that our nation and globe needs. i have a hint that it is people like you, and your vain self-congratulation by CC kids who are falsely entitled, that have made our own CC alum, Obama disregard this school so. Just chase your menagerie and your ivory tower so that the rest of us “lowlies” can have at your scraps. take THAT foie gras and eat it (forcibly).
p.s. if you laugh, i suppose screw you too.
@yos tru3 words
@Holder was awesome, and I’m glad he stayed through the end, shook hands with all the graduates, and didn’t bolt immediately like HRC.
@CC09 Even if I hadn’t done CUE, I would have thought Sarah Besnoff made the best speech. Congratulations Sarah, and let me know when I can make a campaign donation!
@EAL Excellent job by Eric Holder. Thanks for speaking, Mr. A.G.!
@barnard is part of columbia
@barnard is affiliated with columbia. it is not part of columbia like cc, seas, and gs are.
@yes. that must be why the university doesn’t confer our degrees, let us take CU classes or recognize our existence in any way. same way for teacher’s college. you really hit the nail on the head.
@You're delusional if you think Barnard is a part of Columbia like SEAS or GS is.
@No one actually said that, and most BC students that I know think of their school as being more separate. However, it is true that Barnard students earn Columbia degrees and take our classes. The official name of their school is Barnard College of Columbia University for a reason.
@Point taken. However, Barnard may fall under the general umbrella of Columbia in name, but there are things that clearly demarcate it from the way CC, SEAS and GS belong to Columbia. It is pointless to pretend that those things don’t exist.
@that comment was obviously posted by a barnard person.
@Barnard Class Day No one’s speech can compare to Sarah Besnoff’s, not even Hillary Clinton or Eric Holder.
@why? why are there so many barnard students looking at a columbia blog? random…
@well i'm sure they’ll be covering everyone tomorrow.
my guess, bwog was partying way too late sunday night to get out of bed early enough for SEAS graduation. I just barely caught the end of Barnard’s
@which class of ’09?
@you should of covered the other class days too! columbia is NOT just CC!!!
@oy... should HAVE not should of. dear god man. get a grip.
@real coverage http://www.columbiaspectator.com/2009/05/19/general-studies-graduates-celebrate-nontraditional-paths
http://www.columbiaspectator.com/2009/05/18/clinton-addresses-barnard-graduates-calling-digital-diplomacy
http://www.columbiaspectator.com/2009/05/19/seas-class-day-albaugh-calls-upon-engineers-rebuild-world
@lighten the mood? at least they weren’t wearing waterboards
@CC Class Day How was Holder? got there a little bit late
@holy crap Holder was amazing. Witty, not too lengthy, not at all dry, meaningful. I wish he was my uncle. Or I guess I can settle for him being my Attorney General.
@cc10 scary. the real world just keeps getting closer and closer.
@MHer Bwog why no comments about the SEAS, Barnard, or GS Class Days?
@because no one cares.
@Obvious Troll Because this is a Columbia Blog and they aren’t Columbia and *ramble rant ramble expletive deleted* oh wait.
@this is just CC ’09. SEAS was yesterday!
@sniff goodbye class of 09. we love you, you are all awesome!
@aww i love you, ’09