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That we could hear none
A group of seniors, including at least two football players, were overheard around 4 pm today in the line for commencement tickets in Lerner making light of the situation involving the football team, according to an anonymous tipster. She was listening to the group standing next to her in line, and after about 20 minutes took out a notebook and wrote down their words. This is what she overheard; everything in quotation marks is a direct quote.
- One member of the group blamed the victim of the hate crime, suggesting that the victim was the one who “really started it” and “escalated it.”
- One person insisted that the tweets are “funny and true,” and that one of the perpetrators “wouldn’t take it back.” He added, “every text I got I started laughing more and more.” The homophobic and racist tweets, he argued, were “out of context” and “should be taken with a grain of salt.” Another tried to dismiss that the tweets shouldn’t be taken seriously because one of the tweeters was high when he wrote some of them.
- One person mentioned that during a meeting held for the football team to address the hate crime and tweets, all the players were “trying not to laugh” the whole time. The coaches took it seriously, but not all of the players.
- One person said that Chad and the people responsible for the tweets “aren’t even worried” about serious repercussions because the issue will just blow over, and they consider it to be no big deal. At the same time, they worried that the scandal might negatively impact other football players, ignoring the actual victims of the hate crime and tweets.
- One person mentioned that the hate crime story received a very different reaction on the Barstool Sports blog, compared to Bwog, leading another to chime in, “Yeah, because they’re…real people.”
- Throughout the conversation, members of the group peppered their conversation with “faggot” and used “gay” as an insult.
- Finally, they joked that Chad was famous: “He’s famous! He’s a famous homophobe! He’s the king of New York!”
Eventually, both our tipster and the guys received their commencement tickets. She heard two of the boys give their names to the people dispensing tickets; while we won’t print the names, we did check them against last season’s roster and confirmed they were both on the football team.
“There was no shred of empathy for those victimized by their actions and no scrap of remorse,” she tells us.
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@Anonymous http(colon)//www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=KvA1zphaeTQ
replace puntcuation
@Troy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDHYZtwjFTs
@ANON LEAVE THIS SHIT ALONE — stop trying to get these kids in more trouble then they already are. of course they are going to talk about it. this is honestly so insensitive. back the fuckkkk off
@John Asian I am a Penn graduate. I love watching the Columbia community go down this endless rathole devouring one another in vicious fashion. You will be a national joke in about 2 days. Keep on hating each other. It’s beautiful. You bunch of fucking losers!
@Oh look it's another safety school graduate... Jealous much motherfucker?
@Trying to stay on the Dean's list Everyone stop blaming the football team, we don’t wanna get them all kicked out so they cant sink the curve in every class.
@x word my As in poli sci are gonna drop to Cs if they get kicked out
@Yay we all love each other... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUFT35S7Jb4
@CC16 Its funny when some of them are gay themselves
@Bewildered. Have these football players learned nothing from “The Thick of It”? Never say anything within earshot of anyone unless you know they’re not an on-the-record journalist!
@Anonymous BEST SHOW *EVER*
@when is Bwog just going to disable commenting on posts
srsly
@Louis CK fan My question is, haven’t the football tweeters seen the second episode of Louie season one where they address the use of the word “faggot” ??
It streams for free on Netflix. Cmon people.
@RR That’s. It. Are you all out of your mind?
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“Being friends with gay people gives you the right to be homophobic?”
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Honey. No. You are so wrong. I honestly don’t know how better to illustrate this, so I’ll try this way. Sometimes, when my friend gets mad at me for teasing him, he tells me he hopes my eyes fall out. He makes a frowny face and says: “Roko. I hope your eyes fall out.”
I don’t think he has anything against my eyes, though. Yet, had Wilma, of the eponymous grill, told me the same thing, I would be shocked and offended. If a stranger yelled it at me on the street, I’d be scared. Context determines the message, and if I know that my eyes are in no danger I am absolutely OK with my friends telling me that to mean “stop joking!” or something similar.
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The word ‘gay’ is not magical, and nothing about it is inherently offensive, unlike the word ‘faggo*’. It can be used as an insult when a person intends it as an insult.
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If a gay guy says Lykke Li is #gay, is he being homophobic? No, because being homophobic means having a negative attitude towards gayness, be it fear, annoyance or hatred. Since most of those posts are made by gay men who are CLOSE FRIENDS talking to EACH OTHER, accusing them of being bigots is just as bad as me saying that I am under constant threats of having my eyes gouged out because my bff tells me so when we’re joking around with each other.
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“You show me a nigga that takes a bath, and I’ll show you a faggo*.”
“You show me a nigga that takes a bath, and I’ll show you a faggo*.”
“You show me a nigga that takes a bath, and I’ll show you a faggo*.”
Just try to absorb the meaning of that sentence. How does it not terrify you? I thought about it for so long that it’s funny to me now, but the person who wrote it was not using ‘faggo*’ to mean ‘bundle of sticks’, nor was he implying that dipping yourself in lavander-scented bubbliness causes one to become homosexual. He was making fun of guys like me and he has no right to do so. End of discussion.
@lel r u some kind of faggo #rekt
@Anonymous shut ur mouth pussy #rekt
@Sports nerds r all just jealous of our dicks #ihatenerds #hahgayyyyy #BANGBANG
@lel ur dick is jealous of my nerd #rekt
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@Anonymous Can you say, witch hunt?
@Anonymous Bwog should really take all of this shit down. Terrible reporting.
@lel shut up nerd
@Anonymous Sticks and stones people…
@wow After reading some comments, I can see how athletes would want to hurt you or “assault” you in some way…
“so i just read up until your *first* incorrect usage of the word “your” and downvoted”
^That up there is a joke. You say they tweet this and say this and say that. This is clear instigation. If you said something like this to me in person, I would want to beat you up to. This is ignorant and rude. I am so discouraged to be going to a school like this. It isn’t just the so called enemy “athletes” faults, its everyones. I am so embarrassed to go to a school like this. I wish everyone could just get along. All I see is jealousy and hatred from both sides. If you provoke people they will fight back no matter who they are. Football players might have a bigger mouth to them, doesn’t mean they are racist.
@The Boss I demand a free 2 Chainz concert!
I’m looking for someone selling those Bloods and Crips hats.
Thanks!
@Anonymous whoever you are, eavesdropping, and then sending an “anonymous” tip into bwog, you’re so fucking pathetic. if you so badly want to make a goddamn moral statement and be leader against racism/discrimination/whatever, at least post your name, coward
@Not even a football player My problems with this post. 1. I do not support racist tweets but how am I supposed to trust one girl pulling out her notebook and following the football tam around, writing down what they allegedly “said”. This is bullshit reporting. I don’t even know this girls name or the guys involved or have any evidence. And, i say this as a black person who doesn’t really support athletics, it reeks of bias. So should we follow everyone on the football team and carry our recording devices? hide in their bathroom trash cans to see if they make any homophobic comments while shitting? Should we insert a wire into the minds of all Columbians so that we know whoever thinks one racist thought and we can tell bwog about it? The real bad aspect of all these interactions is YOU bwog. I hope you shut down or go away or get new leadership. You have no respect for anyone on campus, you are willing to risk the mental health and happiness of students ( not in this incident but in others throughout the year), just for a few cheap laughs. You are like a parasite, feeding on the Columbia community. Get the fuck out of Columbia. And go away.
@Anonymous @Anonymous: So being gay gets you a pass for being anti-Semitic and dating an Asian makes it ok to say offensive stuff about Asians? Being friends with gay people gives you the right to be homophobic?
Is this stuff as hateful as the football tweets? I wouldn’t say so. But that doesn’t make it ok.
@Anonymous I am so goddam tired of all these commenters saying “chill out” or “relax.” If someone through a handful of dirt on me every time I was told that, I’d be buried in the fucking ground. This MORNING some guy holla’d at me and actually yelled “ASIAN LOVE LOVE” as his friends leered at me like I was some piece of meat. Seriously? I didn’t even deserve a verb. And you know, this type of thing is an everyday occurrence for me, an Asian woman. Do you think you’re being funny or refreshing by saying “chillthefuckout”? Do you actually think I don’t hear that all the fucking time? At least be original, if you’re going to invalidate the experience of being marginalized on this campus, city, and world every fucking day of my life. If you notice that your peers, who have warranted your respect and admiration thus far, are angry and using their time and energy to work on something not academic during FINALS week, do yourself a favor and figure out why that is. You might learn something, asshole.
@Anon Stop posting such long fucking comments
@LOL U MAD, BROS?
@Anonymous Wow. Fuck you. Seriously? Who the fuck do you think you are eavesdropping on them like that an publishing this shit? Bwog fucking sucks.
@ok why is everyone so upset about this? the biblesays gayatry is illegal
@Mexican CC'14 Dude Thanks for clarifying. I guess I’ll start calling my friends Spics now. None of us are on the football team so it’s OK if we do it right?
Right?
@Just a thought This is all so interesting to me! The problem I have sometimes with “Multicultural Affairs Offices” or “Diversity Offices” is that it compartmentalizes efforts to fight for multicultural diversity and tolerance. And that can mean that sometimes people forget they, themselves, you, have to be making tolerance and diversity a living part of their, your, life. Logic being, if we have a capitol-o Office to ‘fix that stuff,’ why should we bother? So we all treat statements from student groups and Columbia diversity offices with kudos, and then indifference.
But the minute that someone pays attention in their daily life, standing in a line, and then tries to publicize what they found to be problematic, they are thought to be stepping over the line. Even though, technically, NO ONE was hurt by this, because peoples’ names were left out.
@well Perhaps the more appropriate response would be to actively combat the behavior. The tipster could have said something to the two, but instead, tolerated the behavior and stayed silent as she listened.
It’s kind of like hearing one of your friends make a racist joke, not saying anything to them about why it’s wrong, and then thinking you’re doing something by telling a friend in ROOTed about it three days later. “Publicize” is bullshit. Frank dialogue isn’t.
@lel shut up whore #columbialions #rekt
@Anonymous @well: The pen is mightier than the sword
@Anonymous Sucks how excited everybody gets when somebody else in the community fails…
@Anonymous I understand many of the arguments made on both sides of the issue here, but the people trying to explain away these quotes as out of context sound a lot like Mitt Romney trying to explain away the 47% quote.
@It's fagget FAGGET. Don’t you know how it’s speled??
@Person question, off topic, do asian students commonly feel discriminated against/oppressed/victimized. actually just wondering – not trying to make a statement or anything.
@Asian Speaking for myself here, but yes. I feel discriminated against on a daily basis in small, seemingly insignificant ways. But those kinds of biases and microaggressions are constantly being brushed off as unimportant by other people and so, I usually don’t bring them up. Discrimination against Asians in this country is often seen as more “acceptable” because of the model minority myth and because a small subgroup of Asians has become overrepresented in higher education. I don’t have an accent and I’m an American citizen, and yet I am constantly being asked to legitimize my being in this country. I walk down the street and have racial stereotypes shouted at me. But, ya know, it’s totally fine because Asians are doing great so why should we complain?
@lel azn r teh hot : – )
r u a grill btw? : – )
@Another Asian Not really.
@Alum It’s pretty simple… If you don’t want to get burned for using derrogatory language in public, then don’t use it in public.
Better yet, don’t use it at all.
@Twitch I realize that the comments on this one are winding to a close (I’ve been self-controlling away from bwog and Facebook for finals), but two thoughts:
a) the story with the athletics teams–this includes the teams involved in ZBT’s hazing scandal this year–is about a ridiculous level of institutional power that gets wielded by athletics. if the rest of us sound bitter, that’s why. If this had happened in the frats the world would end and spectacular collective punishment would be meted out. three years ago one student each that was living in the frat house committed crimes that no one thinks are immoral, and even after those students had been expelled, everyone else was given 3 years of probation, had their houses permanently taken away from the chapters, and had a new system of control put in.
(and it doesn’t–frats are actually places of real diversity, where hispanic bros, white (really white) bros, white (jewish) bros, asian (-american or int’l student) bros, gay bros, asian (-californian) bros, or other (not to invisibilize, but this list is long and has to end somewhere), can all be obnoxious douchebags regardless of sexuality or ethnicity)
b) did you expect a different reaction from these kids? they might have f***ed up huge, but there’s an inquisition on right now into the basic fabric of their social lives, and the rest of campus (never a particularly friendly place) has set itself up as judge, jury and executioner. teams that provide a home for them while they’re here during really formative years, social structures that have basically raised them and provided them with friends, values, etc., are under attack. really, genuinely under attack. the entire campus views them and all of their friends, everything they’ve known and done for years, as valueless, immoral, worthy of expulsion, and the administration is going to have to act on it. oh and one of their friends just had his entire life ruined. i’m not defending them, especially their behavior before the sh*t hit the fan. but the idea that they would try to circle the wagons and try to show some loyalty to their collapsing world rather than to adopt the views of those that judge them and their friends to be monsters isn’t a continuation of the same despicable and violent willful ignorance that drove the idiocy until this week. it’s psych 101, and this much was entirely predictable.
@Anonymous chad washington did not have his entire life ruined. he ruined his own life by ASSAULTING someone. let’s not place the blame on anyone else here.
@Aye! No you fool, his friend was murdered two days before…If you don’t know, don’t comment.
@lel ya wen ur friends die u beat up nerds
@=/= Again, people stop ignorantly speculating based off what you heard. What occurred is unacceptable. But what occurred was not assault. That is a significant distinction, whether or not the distinction affects the emotion invoked in you.
@Idiots The ZBT hazing scandal? Do you even know what happened? NO you don’t because you weren’t there so shut your fucking mouth. It wasn’t that bad which is why the house is still theirs, not because athletes are given “extra benefits.” People who comment with absolutely no knowledge on anything might be the most annoying thing ever. It wasn’t ZBT that wanted to do the hazing, the womens sports team involved came to them. So, blame them more than anyone. Plus this has nothing to do with anything. Athletes are scrutinized at least 10 times more than everyone else in the University. Other fraternities were associated with kidnapping in addition to drugs being sold out of their houses. They lost their houses (obviously) and ZBT was on the brink of losing their house over a few questions asked to some girls. So get your facts straight before making comments kid.
@Anonymous unacceptable actions, I find, are unacceptable.
UPVOTE IF YOU AGREE
@Anthony Villamagna Everyone, please understand that if our goal is to create a more unified Columbia community that this is not the way to do it. The vitriol contained within some of these comments is appalling. We, as students, are the ones who ultimately control our community and our culture. Neither the Administration, nor the Athletics Department, nor the professors, nor any other group on campus can influence Columbia on a daily basis the way we can. Searching out non-athlete’s tweets to find offensive comments is merely showing what each of us already know: that within any large body of people there will be those that think, say, do, or post offensive material. However, it is also a divisive action that pulls us further from where we need to be.
I believe that Columbia already has a community that overwhelmingly strives for the prejudice and hate free environment that we all want. However, there are those who, for one reason or another, perpetuate racially insensitive, gender insensitive material, or homophobic material. It is our duty as Columbia students to educate. I can guarantee that much of the problem arises from ignorance and misinformation rather than true racist or bigoted beliefs. When we hear misinformation being spread, teach instead of condemn. When we see an improper action being done against a student, stand up instead of letting it pass.
It is up to us to make these changes. Each person can only control that which is within your own environment. Strive to be the best that you can be, stand up for what is right, and practice what you preach. It is only when we are able to do these things that Columbia’s community will be the place we are all striving for it to be.
Anthony Villamagna, CC ‘13
@Anonymous Anthony, this is just AMAZING. You are the ONE KID in the football team I know who isn’t a douchebag. You are great, and I hope people in your team can take you as an example of an awesomely terrific person who needs to be taken as a role model.
@Anonymous You are the only person to come out of this whole thing better off. Congrats for being level headed!
I’m sorry that you got implicitly called out by association.
@Anon For decades students at Barnard College have been verbally abused for being students of a college affiliated with Columbia University.
@lel Say that to my face fucker not online and see what happen #rekt
@you're not very smart @Anonymous:
so i’m gonna “break it down” for you:
“i’ve got nothing to hide” is a problem when there is a legislative or top-down attempt to spy on people, because it is a fallacy used to give power to authoritarian states that might go above and beyond catching people with something to hide (i.e. PATRIOT Act) by diverting the line of inquiry around pro-privacy arguments.
however, if STUDENTS decide to police OTHER STUDENTS’ twitter accounts for PUBLIC tweets, there is no “affront” to “free speech”. you are FREE to be bigoted, but they are free to call you out on being a piece of shit, as they rightly should be. everything is right with the world, george washington gives adam smith a red-white-and-blue blowie, etc.
so please, stop watering down actually important anti-authoritarian arguments by using them to propagate your intellectually-bankrupt bigot-apologist drivel.
@Troll Master Everyone needs to chillthefuckout. This is being blown way out of proportion, and you all know it.
To the statement Columbia’s AAA put out: just how many times would you like to refer to this so-called “systematic” hatred. If, indeed, it is so rampant and causing you “deep concern,” why have you only now chosen to make a statement concerning “the environment maintained on our campus,” of which you apparently so disapprove? The simple answer being: because it happened to you. You’re entirely reminiscent of petty Hollywood actors who suddenly start a charity for some rare disease that their child has. Now there is nothing wrong with this, but don’t pretend like you’ve cared about this for a long time when in fact you only recently started caring because it affected you. Experience is a bitch, and there are no such things as altruistic acts…or statements, in this case.
On Whether Athletes Are Inherently Stupider Than Non-Athletes:
Recall the amount of hideously dumb people you know that aren’t athletes. In addition, if you woke up at 5 or 6 in the morning every day to work out, your grades would surely suffer. We would not be down for that shit.
“The football team hangs out in cliques”…that’s cool. So do asians, definitely. Separatists we once described it. So do blacks. So do whites. So do hispanics. So do indians. So does every other race. So does every other sports team. And at this school. All these groups bond on their similarities, but hey at least the sports cliques often include different races.
Again, this entire thing has been blown way out of proportion and for the great cynicals, the amount of asian jokes that have since been stated in passing (and in private) as a way to mitigate this situation has risen astoundingly. #irony
The “in private” part is key. everyone is secretly a racist. And that’s just it, most people keep it a secret, while others…post it on twitter.
To wrap up, we’ll just say what everyone already thinks: athletes are dumb, asians are smart, but they’re also separatists and they probably talk about you in their language that you most likely don’t undertand. Everyone at Columbia is “elitist”. Well HYFR!! (hell yeah fucking right) that elitist title is the least we deserve considering some shell out $70k for this P.O.S. school comprised of 50% of teachers who can’t speak english. (I know what you’re thinking, but we didn’t say those teachers were asian, you “racist”).
However, in no way do we condone the actions allegedly committed by Mr. Washington. But neither do any of us know the full story, which is important. We almost feel like alcohol had to be involved in this. It seems like it fits the story. Now, as so many Bwog posts do, let’s go on a severe tangent! Let’s talk about how alcohol is legal, whereas if either of the two parties were high, this would’ve never happened!
To Columbia: You’re all tools. Especially the administration that released those toolish statements. Absurd.
To the girl who took notes on the overheard convo: ……
Sincerely,
Troll Master
@Anonymous right on. I can’t understand my Russian math teachers either…
@Columbia... needs more people like you. The world thanks you.
@the dark hand @Troll Master: did you write this?
@The Dark Hand I am only a troll padawan
@i have finals tomorrow word
@not affiliated with AAA, but Asian you make some good points, but there are parts of your post where you are completely WRONG. do you seriously think that this is the first time asians on this campus have been victimized by seemingly “harmless” stigmas and discrimination? you clearly know NOTHING about AAA seeing as one of the main objectives of organizations similar to AAA (as well as events such as ECAASU, etc.) is to not just celebrate our cultures and the things we love about our heritage[s], but also to bring awareness to the uglier side of race distinction. it’s clear from your comment that you have zero association with AAA and you know what that says? that you have ZERO basis on which to claim that AAA hasn’t addressed systemic oppression previous to this one event. yeah, this is the first time AAA has addressed the entire school, rather than just its own members and associated groups, but this is also the first occasion that has made that necessary. do NOT ignorantly tell people that “experience is a bitch” implying that they’re new to oppression/prejudice. to my knowledge, BSO has never issued a statement on the need for acceptance and tolerance on this campus, and yet i’m sure if they ever did you’d never call them out for not speaking out earlier. and yeah, black oppression and asian oppression are, on a surface level, two different things. but in the end they amount to the same things: ignorance and hatred.
@Thick Wang Its Thick and Its Me
@Seriously? Absolutely APPALLED at whoever compiled those tweets. The people involved in these very serious accusations are all very close and run in the same social circles — the person who did this is familiar with them and knows a lot about them on a personal level.
What the creator of this page has committed is character assassination to people who have the some of the best characters on this campus.
Wake up, Columbia. This has turned into a war between athletes and non-athelets, and YOUR PEERS are being targeted and thrown under the bus. When will enough be enough?
@Sorry, I'm Not Sorry You don’t think the compilation of tweets by football players wasn’t a “character assassination”? Some of those students are good people, and their comments were also taken completely out of context. Perhaps the second compilation was made to make a point that anything can look bad when taken out of context. Granted some of the football players’ tweets were inexcusable, but some of these tweets are also inexcusable. I think it’s time all Columbia students take a look in the mirror before condemning any one person or group on campus.
@BC '15 Problem is that this group of people aren’t associated with people who are being investigated for a hate crime.
@Sorry, I'm Not Sorry So you’re excusing their bigoted comments? They’re tweets aren’t inappropriate just because they’re not on the same team as someone accused, emphasis on accused, of a hate crime?
@Anonymous FOOTBALL PLAYERS ARE NOT BEING INVESTIGATED FOR A HATE CRIME. Chad Washington, who happens to be a football player, is being investigated for assault, not even a hate crime. While Chad does not seem to be a role model in anyway, he is not someone that went around targeting Asians specifically. This incident happened due to his asshole behavior and not because the kid happened to look asian.
@BC' 15 How is assault better than a hate crime?
Aside from that, I’m just saying that although the things these students said are inexcusable, someone, presumably a student at this University, went out of their way to target a group of people who were not involved with this scandal in any shape, way, or form.
Of course it is horrible that the football team was brought into the situation, but they are AT LEAST associated with Washington in some capacity. A student targeted this specific group of people who were COMPLETELY unrelated to this football player. And although, yes, it proves a very important point, I would define it as an assassination of character in attempt to make the persecuted football players look better. These people are innocent bystanders when in terms to the scandal as a whole. They shouldn’t have to be associated with this.
Obviously there needs to be a University wide course of action to better deal with these issues of race, gender, and sexuality. But that is not the issue I’m trying to attempt to tackle in a mere Bwog post.
@=/= Harassment is not the same thing as assault by the way. Washington was charged with harassment, not assault. The kid left feeling intimidated, not physically harmed whatsoever. The actions are absolutely unacceptable no doubt, but let’s keep that in mind.
@... i’m actually pissed off. yeah sometimes you cant say bad things but im sure a lot of these tweets were taken out of context and i know some of the people on there, as im sure a lot of you do–they’re not racists, theyre not bigots, sometimes we say stupid things but that gives you no right to target individual people and try to publicly shame them. like people are saying, adding fuel to the fire. so unnecessary.
@... im talking about the columbia student tweets btw
@Anonymous “sometimes we say stupid things but that gives you no right to target individual people and try to publicly shame them”
Can we say this isn’t what happened to the football players?
Those players reputations are ruined. I can say for a fact the freshman Niko Padilla is one of the nicest guys I know on campus. His tweets were taken out of context too.
@Mexican CC'14 Dude Because when the ‘good guys’ are shown to be just as tone-deaf and willfully negligent in policing their own twitter accounts as the football players, it’s somehow unfair.
Special pleading at its finest.
@BC 13 Assuming these overheard comments are true, wouldn’t it have been more constructive for this girl to challenge what these guys were saying? If we’re looking for change, we should be standing up to the racist/sexist/homophobic comments we hear from our peers.
It seems like saying something to these guys about their derogatory language would have been a better use of time instead of eavesdropping just to tip Bwog. We have to let others know when they’re being offensive if comments like this are to stop. Even if you’re brushed aside, at lease you’ve attempted to be part of the solution.
@BC 13 *at least
@Anonymous That sounds fine in writing, but if I were in her shoes, I’d be afraid of the group insulting me, threatening me, or even targeting me for violence. It’s difficult to speak up to people who are more powerful than you are.
@BC'15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LN_L85b2zQ
Obviously someone who is not involved with musical theater was screen shotting these tweets.
@what the actual fuck, bwog Hey, Bwog- you guys got a lot of hits and comments! Congrats! Are you happy now?
@C'mon Why can’t there be a difference between defending individual rights and defending chad and the football teams actions? I for one am sick to see any racism, much less a violent assault. But vigilante justice is not justice at all.
And lets please separate the issues of the tweets and the assault. For some of chad’s tweets to play into his prosecution for assault is a violation of his first amendment rights.
Chad should be charged for misdemeanor assault and expelled by columbia. The other 3 football players involved should be suspended for a year.
To all other student-athletes who have never once said a racist thing, work hard, and live a life we non-athletes really don’t understand, I am sorry for the vitriol directed at you.
As for this reporting: Jesus Christ. The irony of such irresponsible reporting on the campus that houses the world’s most renowned school of journalism. Take some responsibility and don’t try to stir up page views when people’s reputations and futures are on the line.
@kevin li @C’mon:
wait
so
you think this guy should be expelled because he hurt somebody’s feelings? cause let’s be real the only thing that got hurt is some guy’s feelings
talk about disproportionate punishment
it’s a fucking witch hunt
@anon No he should be expelled because he assaulted a fellow student, even if it wasn’t a hate crime, which in the real world is jail time. Get out of your bubble!
@Why Am I Reading This? My question is…Why didn’t the kid stick up for himself and fight back instead of reporting the douche bag and causing this huge uproar around here.
Mr. Feelings Hurt, I hope you are reading this, because you are a coward. People will say offensive things for the rest of your life…deal with it or move out of New York to Wyoming or someplace similar. You can’t make it here.
What really kills me is that all these student groups are signing on to this petition to investigate this. WTF? Go study for finals and get ready to leave the neighborhood you come to twice a year, take a shit, then leave for summer and trips to ski in Vail.
If only this much fervor was aimed at some of the poor professors this school has what a wonderful place it would be.
@'14 Why don’t you go play some football and write some more racist tweets.
@Oh Wow. The reason this conversation is necessary is because of responses like this, people like you. I am constantly surprised when views like yours come out of the woodwork, when people think that acts of aggressions should warrant the victims of aggression to enter into a field of violence too. When people think that it is braver to attack a person for being attacked than to seek legal remediation. Yes, the powerful set the terms of the field of contest, sure, but what we need to do is establish that violence is brutish, ugly, and ineffectual, and that cultures that promote hate against racialized groups face quick and impactful response, especially on but not limited to this campus.
@Anonymous http://rybkaforum.net/mwf/rybkaattach/58/240058/Point_missed.jpg
@Anonymous Wyoming was the setting of a terrible hate crime against Matthew Shepard, who targeted because he was gay. These issues are everywhere and if we do not make a stand they will continue. I’m glad the victim in this Columbia incident stood up. People cannot keep swallowing injustices.
@Carl This is fucking ridiculous. I am Asian and I am ashamed. This reaction is a blatant indicator of why certain Asians get teased. The existence of any of this useless drama, of course, is because of sensitive Asians, ignorant of what a hate crime really is.
Since when did hate crimes include random acts of free speech? Maybe if racial jokes were taken in stride, then such jokes would lose their value.
Stop the bullshit! Stop procrastinating and study for your finals or just chill out! A joke, allegedly tipped by an anonymous coward, should not be grounds for any reaction like this one.
@Anonymous carl the asian! ur the man!!
@Alexander Jacobs @Anonymous:
yo why is this getting downvoted
he’s saying an asian is awesome
stop being hateful
@Anonymous This seems like a collection of half quotes with no tones or real understanding of the how the quotes were used. It looks like they were just looking for the things they could spin to make it look bad. Let’s be real and let NYPD and Columbia investigate.
@Anon Okay now I’m 100% positive that everybody commenting on this being more upset about “slander” against the football team are actually members of the football team
@Another asian No one is calling this a hate crime. Yes, free speech exists. But your nonchalance is downplaying the fact that people (allegedly) said racist comments and allowing speech like this to flourish.
@Baller Carl, I called up Dave Chapelle. You’ve officially been kicked out of your race. Asians don’t want you anymore. #bangbang
@I'm all for giving people a fair hearing I’m beginning to wonder if all the comments so far have been posted by the football team. Yes, what this girl was did was a little sketchy, and we can’t verify that what she overheard actually was said. But how is no one more disturbed by what the football players allegedly said? If there is even a kernel of truth to any of her quotes, then maybe we should be more concerned about that attitude, of tolerating homophobia and prejudice, and laughing off what should be a serious administrative response, persisting at Columbia, whether it’s from a member of the football team or from any other student.
@Anonymous Agreed. The new Imgur album “Columbia Students” is disheartening, but it’s also a tempting distraction from the Football players’ blatantly bigoted Tweets.
@Anonymous this dude is serving the T with a capital T, no shade
@Latrice Royale Oh honey, the SHADE! The SHADE of it all!
@arstarst the butthurt is strong on this one
my recaptcha phrase was “but iAsian”
@DEAR EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING AT COLUMBIA These are my sentiments:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E13e2dSlv7o
@Tastemaker Can’t. Breathe.
@Anonymous http://imgur.com/a/kfemI#0
@Anonymous So does this mean the whole Columbia community is bigoted? Maybe this should be addressed as a school-wide issue since these sentiments aren’t concentrated to one specific group.
@Anonymous nice try, football team!
@Anonymous Horrible as the whole affair is, Bwog should report facts and evidences as they are with a calm, objective journalist tone. This is trying too hard to occupy the moral ground. The tipsters’ materials are worth printing, but the way this post is written has an overload of indignation and self-righteousness that makes me uncomfortable.
@Anonymous Bwog was founded as a gossip blog, and the Blue & White still maintains a very nasty but great gossip column. This is the point.
@Bwog.. ..is definitely TMZ now..
@uhhhh? Post the author’s name
@Anonymous columbia is gossip girl
@dan humphrey orly?
@Listen! If you’re going to trash talk, do it in the shower! No one’s going to pull out their notepad.
@uhhhh? …why would they be in your shower?
@HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU PEOPLE I was coming home from the gym today and heard 4 students saying Chad had a gun. This is fucking ridiculous. That girl who reported this/supposedly took out her notebook is 100% a dimwitted girl. She should be ashamed of herself. Go fucking study for finals instead of being so childish. People like you are the reason why are school’s ranking drops. Also, this is definitely 100% true that these football players said this right? Good job confirming they were in fact on the football team. Its not like the fucking roster is open to the public on gocolumbialions.com. Fuck girls like this. I’m not even an athlete but seriously fuck you. You are a weasel and do not deserve to go to a school like this. Is that what your parents taught you to do? Even if you aren’t completely lying, eavesdropping and taking out a notebook to take notes? Go fuck yourself. You have way to much time on your hands to be deserving of a Columbia degree.
@Anonymous amen
@Wait How does this “eavesdropping” incident drop our #4 ranking???
@anon Your points are invalid because you used “are school” instead of “our school”.
You are not deserving of a Columbia degree because you do not know English.
@Anonymous its finals dude you need to chill..
@Maybe she goes to Barnard …just a thought.
:)
@Hodgins http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m46f3f38mO1rnvwt1.gif
@Dude Shut up.
@Anonymous why is our ranking a value? Why is it that you would be willing to brush aside a crime to make our ranking better? Who even cares about the ranking – new freshmen applying here?
And why would anyone – except for a negligent bad parent – teach their children that on principle being a “weasel” is bad? What does that rest on? Being complicit in others crimes? Letting people suffer without saying a word? I have no clue what principles your beliefs are founded on, but they sure sound immoral to me.
I do not understand why every post in this comment section is upset at this girl. I think that what people say in public is absolutely open to judgement, and based on these comments I think we should be condemning the other football players.
@Bwog Motion to get this article removed because it is slander and libel?
@Bob Loblaw, Esq. No it is not slander AND libel. Slander is oral, not written. And no one was named so who the fuck is suing? The entire football team?
@ugh so true. i wish more people knew this. if only you had some form of expressing your legal opinions online….
@N. Bluth Have you tried http://thebobloblawlawblog.blogspot.com/?
He’s very good.
@Judge Judy Motion denied
@Totally Fucking Serious, Though. I once heard a football player say “penis” in public. I giggled and blushed. That’s a no-no word.
@anon fuck all u narps
@Anonymous http://imgur.com/a/kfemI#0
An anonymous twitter account just posted this album. WE’RE ALL BIGOTS. hooray for columbia
@what the actual fuck, bwog this reeks of the football team trying to distract from their own actions
@Anon How the hell is this news? Some anonymous tipster? I heard an anonymous tip that blog is a shitty publication, don’t see you guys publishing that one.
@Anon Lolz
@Anonymous they said it in a public place. fucking cry moar
@anononymous Also, this girl could just pick and choose what she wants to put into her post, to make what these football players said even worse. Because obviously she has an opinion, and probably wanted to portray the football players as best fitting to her opinion as possible.
@Anonymous So basically BWOG is now TMZ
@Anonymous Implying it was a bastion of quality news and high journalistic ethics before this happened.
@Anonymous I bet some football hater made this tip up.
@Tripe Absolute tripe. Bwog doesn’t look good posting this
@MD DG Girl God I want to c*nt punt this girl
@Lol I got what you were trying to do here. Sorry other people can’t remember non-Columbia related embarrassing incidents for universities.
@Anonymous this is ridiculous people need to stop being such pussies and get over this
@Proud pussy Sorry not sorry
@Anonymous grow a pair
@Devin Wright …he said, anonymously.
@Libel Seniors weren’t at the football meeting
@Wha? This wasn’t overheard at a meeting… did you read the post?
@Anonymous One person mentioned that during a meeting held for the football team to address the hate crime and tweets, all the players were “trying not to laugh” the whole time. The coaches took it seriously, but not all of the players.
did YOU read the post.. obviously not.
@Anonymous This is getting to that level. If any player gets named I hope they sue.
@chad Is the king of new york!
@Anonymous I’ve been disgusted by what’s happened the last couple days, but this sort of backlash is exactly what our community DOESN’T need right now. Vengeance, particularly the ugly, ignorant sort designed to target individuals, does not contribute to any kind of healing process. Let’s lead by example and be a little more mature and respectful.
@Anonymous And shame on Bwog for posting this.
@anon I have also overheard football players blowing this incident off as stupid and believing that they are not in the wrong in any way. I am happy that their words are being put out there for all to see! Good job girl who tipped off bwog with true investigative journalism and getting actual quotes from football players in public. Imagine what they are saying in private!
@Anonymous once again, eavesdropping on other students. Not only is that wrong but your basing your thoughts off of a part of a conversation that you heard- and you cant even say you heard everything correctly because you weren’t part of the conversation. If you want to be a decent human being why don’t you rationally go talk to the players about the situation and stop trying to start rumors your making the entire student body look bad.
@my brain hurts from following all these comment wars so i just read up until your *first* incorrect usage of the word “your” and downvoted
@Anonymous Who gives a flying fuck if its your or you’re.. YOU’RE not supposed to be proof reading this shit
@fuck you You’re so fucking smart for going through every post and looking for grammatical errors. You’re such a fucking good samaritan for trying to get your fellow students in trouble. You’re such a great kid that grew up in a great home in Connecticut with parents that are millionaires. Such the fuck up you ignorant son of a bitch. You’re a piece of fucking shit.
@WHOA WHOA WHOA GO HOME
@also please teach me how to “such the fuck up” i’ve never heard of it probably because of my apparent privileged lifestyle that you assumed merely due to my attentiveness to grammar, a trait that NEWSFLASH isn’t exactly uncommon at COLUMBIA FUCKING UNIVERSITY so bye
@Anonymous seriously i feel like these really aggressive comments have to be coming from the players themselves… all of them…
i guess i dont have anything to add to the conversation… i was giving the football players the benefit of the doubt, forcing myself to do it…
i consider myself a member of the Columbia community– I love you all, and as I suffer in Butler I just want to resound with everyone that im appalled at the way these players have apparently replied to something we all are really & legitimately concerned about (assuming all these statements made are true)… like, are you seriously spewing all this shit online? not only do, at the very least, the majority (at least the half +1, seems like a pretty reasonable quantity) not care about the community at columbia and give a fuck about academics, but they also continue to completely shit on their relationship with the rest of us (yes, it is evident there is a clear divide, and we have tried being fair to them) and continue to make a mockery of us, while they all continue to circle jerk and tell each other they are the best?
im gonna say that ignoring the players, 90% of students at columbia dont get any utility out of these teams. sure, maybe the teams that win tournaments and stuff are good (though is that really important? why do schools give so much importance to these events? lots of resources go into them (im not even mentioning that i think many sports players get into the school easier and other people would kill to be here, and cry if they learned how these people shit on the gift that is Columbia)) but then you have these insanely terrible football teams? these kids who should be ashamed to be called football players?
dont bite the hand that feeds you, bitches.
@Anonymous i don’t think the kids committing hate crimes and engaging in homophobic and racist discourse need any help from us on the getting-in-trouble front. it seems that’s one thing they know how to do preeeetty well.
@Anonymous Here’s the problem:
What “they’re saying in private” is none of your business.
@uhhh Except that in line in Lerner waiting for senior tickets is not “in private”… It’s what we in the academic world technically call…. “in public.”
@Anonymous What they say in private might indicate that they are idiots. That does matter as this is an academic institution in which I share membership with them.
@Bwog Reporters You will never make it into journalism school with your inability to follow a basic code of ethics. You cannot publish an article based completely on heresay. At this point, your reporting constitutes defamation, and there’s a lot more evidence against you than the guy that started it all.
@... And you can’t spell “hearsay” – a word that is made of the words it means.
@Bwog Reporters Excuse me. Watch out for the grammar police. My apologies *hearsay*.
@Anon That wasn’t a grammar mistake, it was a spelling mistake.
@gnazi Comma splice alert
@Anon ^ That wasn’t a comma splice. Learn grammar.
@PATHETIC This is absoultely terrible…why is bwog reporting on what some random person allegedly “overheard”. Damn I can write in saying I “overheard” anything…
@Anonymous Maybe it just shows that the football team does not understand the seriousness of the situation …..
@Anonymous or that non athlete students are overreacting and false reporting… really depends on how you look at it..
check this out yooo
http://imgur.com/a/kfemI#0
@Anonymous This whole thing is just causing unnecessary drama and bringing shame to Columbia. Not just football or athletics, but the entire Columbia community. It is despicable how students are turning on one another. People are publicly condemning these individuals and their inappropriate comments at the expense of anyone and everyone associated with the university.
I am embarrassed to be a Columbia student.
@"turning on one another" as in… committing hate crimes against other students? Yeah, that’s pretty despicable. We should really stop turning on one another.
@I'm all for giving people a fair hearing There’s some truth to what you’re saying, but does covering up problems at Columbia contribute to solving them? There has to be a happy medium between picking on people based on hearsay and sweeping everything under the rug.
@Anonymous http://imgur.com/a/kfemI#0
@Anonymous finally
@Anonymous Ahhh I see what you did there. Check this out, everybody’s a racist!
@hm i see nothing wrong w the second one. black just could be the superior race.
@Anonymous Can I point out that most of the #gay tweets are by gay people?
@Anonymous but the word gay was used to describe something as lame or stupid… doesnt matter if the tweeter is gay or not still used the term in an “offensive” way
@This Is Just To Say To all the gay male Columbians out there (of which I am one), when you tell your gay male friend that something he is doing is “homo” or “too gay,” even as a joke or ironically, it’s conceivable that you are mocking and subverting the deployments of heterosexist power, but that line is murky, so tread carefully. It’s all too possible that you have veered (or will soon veer) into a discourse that internalizes heterosexist notions and reproduces the very policing of the borders of masculinity and personality performance that has been used against you for most of your life. We don’t need to internalize normative compliance to tired modes of self-expression: we can do better.
@Anonymous You also don’t have free license to touch women’s bodies kthx.
@a gay shhhhhhhh
@Another Gay …So what you’re saying is I’d be falling right into your trap if I said that waxing on the perils of casual so-called internalized heterosexism in this thread is about the gayest possible response someone could have to a comment defending gay Tweeters’ usage of #gay? Gotcha, I’ll make sure to avoid that.
@uhhh clearly you’re failing to grasp the performance artistry of twitter
@finally ahahaha YES
@STFU You do realize you’re implicitly substantiating the legitimately hateful, homophobic, sexist, anti-semitic, racist, islamophobic, misogynistic and generally bigoted tweets of the football players with this logic, right?
Smh. Come on, people.
@Yet another homo Lawl, reclaiming is a thing, ladyboys and girls. Get your jockstraps out of a bundle and Good God, Get a Grip, Girls.
@Columbia All my fucks. Gone. There they go. Whew! I hate you all. Why do people suck so much?
@Anonymous After recent events, I was curious to see how long it would take for everyone at Columbia to become monitored by others, ready to be exposed as some kind of bigot at any moment. I didn’t have to wait very long. All posts on all social media accounts, if not 100% politically correct, may now be screenshotted and revealed by the pseudo internet secret police for all to see and denounce. Political correctness truly knows no bounds.
@oh man So now you can’t be a bigot in public anymore? Your lives are SO HARD.
@Anonymous Ah yes, the predictable “I have nothing to hide” response that comes with every encroachment on freedom. The encroachments, unfortunately, do not stop when it is you who starts to feel uncomfortable with the loss of liberty.
@Anon @Anonymous: If you tweet in public, others in the public sphere have the right to call you out in public. It’s not a loss of liberty; if you don’t want people to be upset at bigoted speech, do so on a private blog, or in your home.
@Anonymous BIG BWOGGER IS WATCHING ๏_๏
@BC'15 Honestly, do people have nothing else to do but find peoples old tweets? Someone went out of their way to go out and target more individuals in this community. Rather than solving the problem, they are making it worse. Whoever posted this should be ashamed. This is character assassination. These people are being targeted WITHOUT any relevance. There is no hate crime attached to their name or group affiliation. Actively searching for the smallest signs of political irrelevance in the Columbia community is akin to a witch hunt.
@Anonymous This whole article is the columbia community going out of their way to target the football players.
@Anonymous no. no. no.
that’s not what’s happening right now. what’s happening right now is people becoming rightfully outraged about an insular culture that sanctions homophobia, racism, and anti-semitism. it’s shameful what chad did, but it almost as shameful how many players on the football team are reacting to it (based not just on this, but on the still public twitter accounts of some of the football players) with sympathy for chad and significant victim-blaming. people aren’t looking for any reason to hate the football team. people are investigating an insular culture of bigotry that has been allowed to persist on this campus for too long.
@what the actual fuck, bwog “is he gay or european” is a musical theater song… so…
@this imgur poster clearly did not do their research http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pCybcpkm5c
legally blonde the musical…
@but like don’t you have work to do or something
seriously
you fail to grasp the tone of 99% of these tweets
@Anonymous You know what? Doesn’t make it ok. People should be held accountable for when they say bigoted shit, even if it’s “a joke.”
@gay or european http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pCybcpkm5c
^ “is he gay or european” is from legally blonde the musical and anderson cooper is actually gay… while some of these tweets might certainly be bigoted, i think it’s a bit ridiculous to take them so out of context like this… some of them which merely say “gay,” you can’t even see what they were responding to so there’s no way to know whether it was a homophobic tweet…
@Baller They might as well be football players. Heck, we actually win a few more games,
@Anonymous lol k:
Ian Marshall is gay and has been dating an asian-American boy for over a year
Sam Wilson is Jewish
Noah Robbins is Jewish
Michael Cuby is black
Sewa is half-asian, and always jokes about her “asianness,” — she is friends with Joe Girton
Joe Girton is gay
Ankeet Ball is Indian-American, and was in the varsity show with Cole Hickman
They are allowed to joke about these things if they want to. The (ostensibly straight, white) football team is not.
@Cole Hickman Not to mention Eleanor Bray and Cole Hickman are best friends. Eleanor has been dating a Jew for quite some time now, and both Cole and Eleanor are very passionate about anti-homophobia and anti-racism.
It’s not even remotely believable that these people have done anything wrong.
@Revision Sorry, that was not Cole Hickman that wrote that comment. My original comment name was “Cole Hickman/Eleanor Bray really?”
Very sorry.
@Anonymous This is the dumbest thing ever. Most of the football tweets were talking to their friends as well. You cannot excuse one group for doing the exact same thing.
@Anonymous it’s not about their talking to their friends, it’s about their identities. the tweets in this album are people of various sexualities and ethnicities making jokes about their own identities, whereas the football players are two people of a different identity making fun of an identity they have no association with i.e. two straight guys making fun of a gay guy or a black guy making fun of an asian guy.
@Anonymous @Anonymous: But like to be fair a lot of them are also making fun of identities other than their own and I think they should be held accountable for that.
@Anonymous Well if we’re going to start bringing up everyone’s associations, there are two part Asians, a few Jewish guys, and a gay guy on the football team, so just because those other people have a connection to the groups their comments are bigoted towards doesn’t excuse it.
@PeopleStop It doesn’t matter whether they fit the category or not.
Any time they use the term gay in a slanderous way, they are just making it okay for those around them to do the same. In more personal settings,yes maybe, but right now it’s really a charged word and to use it publicly is ill advised. Every time they use it jokingly, they are hurting themselves.
It’s the same for women/girls to call each other (whether they are friends or not) “bitches” and sluts”. It’s degrading to themselves. It also goes for black/african americans to call each other “N****s” especially when the word has such a charged history. Yes, it was used once, but the excuse “It’s okay for /us/ to use it” is not a qualified excuse. There are so many other words that can be used to express yourself.
@Anonymous That is false as fuck. Let them decide how they use the words that people have used for decades, or even centuries to oppress them. There is a whole politic behind “reclaiming” such words, and some see it as a symbolic form of empowerment. Now that is not necessarily true for everyone, but let people decide on their own terms.
@Anonymous That’s the whole point, they’re NOT using it in a slanderous way, saying “gay” to an innocuous thing is humor through hyperbole; I know many of these people personally and to them (as well as me and a lot of others) this weird overuse of gay as a response to nearly everything is tragically funny. So reclaiming the word just to show how its ridiculous contemporary use is much different from ACTUALLY using it in a hurtful or aggressive way.
@SEAS '14 That does not make their comments “OK”… you cannot use that logic and blame football players. You do not know whether the football players who tweeted also secretly identify as homosexual, Jewish, or any other identity that they were making fun of. Do not legitimize inappropriateness. The comments of the people you listed could still negatively impact others who identify as gay, Jewish, Asian, or anything else.
Just because someone is of an identity does not make them king over the group of people in this world who also identify with that identity. Neither of these groups of people who identify as athletes and non-athletes are in the clear for their actions. People should speak up more often in the moment of witnessing derogatory actions. Words do hurt and can impede on a fellow human’s liberty.
Some of my friends slip out phrases like this but although it may be uncomfortable initially, I try my best to address it and inform them about how that made me feel.
@can you secretly identify as jewish?
@Sam Wilson Magneto is jewish!!! haven’t you ever seen a god damn x-men movie
@Here we go Ugh
@CU srsly
@WT This is getting a little out of hand. Definitely crossing lines. I am also not going to take some dimwitted girl’s word on anything. This is just stirring shit up that doesn’t need to happen
@Anon “Dimwitted girl” lol wow thank you for being so misogynistic
@Anonymous a dimwitted person that is a girl is a dimwitted girl. that’s accurate, not misogynistic
@Anon There’s nothing here to indicate that the girl was “dimwitted” though. If you disagree with her taking notes on their conversation then you can comment on that but the action does not make her dimwitted.
@Anonymous There’s also literally nothing here that is misogynistic.
@Anon Insulting a woman for no reason is misogynistic. Where the fuck have you been.
@hey now insulting a girl for no reason is misogynistic?
no. it’s just being an asshole. if you insult a person for no reason you are an asshole. he is not insulting her BECAUSE she is a girl, unless you can prove he is #logic #chillout
@Anonymous if you’re identifiable as a football player, why are you saying things like this in public then? you KNOW you’re under public scrutiny, so maybe the girls not the dimwitted one…
@x “dimwitted girl”… when you gender anything, it’s sexist. when you call a woman a “girl,” thats misogynistic. “that black dude looks like a creep”…when you color anything, it’s racist.
@Isaac Hayes Chad? King of New York? I’m A #1!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlXHCykk7fU
@E! Oh, so now we’re gonna stalk every fucking football player until they’re afraid to open their mouths in public? Lines are being crossed right now.
@Anonymous agreed, not to mention this was a bystander who was eavesdropping in a crowded area… no telling what was actually heard people tend to hear what they want to hear in these types of situations..
@^ You guys might want to click the track button on this guy ^
@E! Hm? The 2nd comment wasn’t me. As you can see when you click track…
@~ Why didn’t she say anything to them at the time?
@I agree chick took out her notebook?!
bitches be crazy.
@a little misogynistic @I agree:
No need to make this a gender issue now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_V4n2iP2AU
@I agree Knew someone would say this. I am a woman and I am not misogynistic.
Its just that someone women are bitches and bitches are crazy.
@I agree some women*
@Maybe you should look up Internalized misogyny.
@hey now guys can be dicks, assholes, bastards, etc.
if you’re referring to all women or a group of women as ‘bitches’ then yes you’re being misogynistic, but there’s nothing wrong with calling a girl a bitch who’s a bitch. what else are you going to call girl? “unpleasant?” it’s a curse word for a reason #logic #chillout
@specious argument Any gendered pejorative is inherently offensive. The word “bitch,” like the word “slut,” doesn’t have a masculine equivalent — calling a guy a “douche” or “womanizer” isn’t quite the same thing as calling a woman a “bitch” or a “slut”— and is therefore sexist.
Your comment is problematic because it plays off of this trope of the irrational, over-emotional “crazy girl” (a trope which leads to all kinds of negative attitudes towards women, and phenomenon like ‘gas lighting’).
When you say “bitches be crazy” it sounds like you’re saying that this girl belongs to this category of crazy women — and frankly it would sound even worse if you used less evasive language (“some women are bitches,” “bitches be crazy”) and called this girl a “bitch” directly.
@Anon Why do Columbia College students regularly create a climate of hate or of disrespect for fellow students?
@idk This is probably the best Overheard reporting that Bwog has ever published.
@Maybe What happens in public view, stays in public view.
@lourde @Maybe: Fair game to be publicized, no?
@Anon If she had recorded (either just voice or even video) this would have been more solid.
@anon it is illegal to record a conversation without consent of at least on person involved in the conversation http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/new-york-recording-law
@Anon It would have been easy enough to get consent from the recorder herself if she’d just briefly said something in their conversation (e.g. “are you guys on the football team?”)
@Gary Chang Most people’s attention’s directed at this anonymous girl that supposedly jotted down notes of the conversation of the few seniors, but few questioned whether this anonymous girl even exists or merely a device that the writer of this entry used as a way to provoke some people. Just look again at how the entry is written. Isn’t it clear on which side the writer stands?
By the way, why wasn’t this guy Silverback there at the scene when it happened? He would have leveled the playing field and fought off the assailant from the defenseless. (Some say he holds a big stick.)
Any ski team brothers [and sisters] here? Miss you guys.
Finals–tomorrow. Buenas noches~!
@Dude... Reporting is always based on trust. You have to trust that the reporter talked to the source (that’s why Jayson Blair got in trouble) and you have to trust that the source is telling the truth the reporter.
In theory, every source could be made up. But if you’re that skeptical about every story, then you’ll never be able to learn anything you don’t already know.
@so you’re that spammer that always spams the ski team listserv proclaiming your undying love for everyone on the team (even those that you do not know), please stop, it’s pretty annoying
@Gary Chang Haha, nice try. As soon as I saw the words spammer and proclaim, I knew your message couldn’t be nice, so I didn’t waste my time reading the rest. First, I never spammed. I just reply to the jokes from my brothers like Luke and Peter, replies that other people make as well. (Sarah’s humor is the best, though.) Secondly, I didn’t proclaim that I will be the next Warren Buffet. I merely sent out 1 message to offer my help using the same skills that Buffet uses to help my friends be “rich(er),” exactly the word I used in the email, in the future when they make investments. I regret that I didn’t add in the word “sisters” in the email which some people might inadvertently interpret as I left the girls out. Girls like Nicole, Polly, Sarah are cool and I would get their back if they’re in need. And Ariana…
In case other ski brothers and sisters did not get the relayed message awhile back, I did not mean to leave you guys hanging at the formal event. I heard a lot of you were asking for me that night. I told Chris, James, and Mike that I originally had archery tournament that day outside the city, but a week after I sent out that email to ski team, my coach canceled the tournament. So I was left at a predicament. The email about Warren Buffet was sent out. If I showed up at the formal, people might mistakenly think that I was trying to make myself look good or show off. That email was sincere; I do want to use my skills to better the lives of those around me. So I wanted to preserve the sincerity of that email by not showing to formal. Sometimes… decisions can get intricately complicated…
If your comment reflects the sentiment of the entire ski team because of some misunderstanding, then it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth about ski team. Why be sincere and try to help some people when they are going to stab you right when you turn your back? That ain’t brotherhood.
@Anonymous STOP BLAMING EVERYONE BUT THOSE ACTUALLY AT FAULT. they said these things. they need to be held accountable for them. arguing anything else is utter bullshit.
@MPM I was behind them in line, and had the idea of doing the exact same thing that the girl in this bwog post did, but I didn’t because I thought it was against their right to privacy.
HOWEVER.
I’m a gay man, and when someone in a public space is using “gay” as an insult and “fa**ot” loudly and openly towards others (which they absolutely did, and I heard it and multiple other people heard it), it’s gonna piss me off, and it is NOT okay. They were in a public space, saying these hateful things without an ounce of remorse or without any care for the people around them.
And you know what? I should have stood up to them and called them out on it. And I absolutely regret that. I was simply shocked at what they had said, and didn’t have the peace of mind to do it in a proper and effective way that avoided anger and provided education.
So yes, maybe this young woman was wrong to write these quotes down, but what they said was absolutely disgusting and it was extremely offensive and it provided me with confirmation that these individuals have learned NOTHING from the horrible actions of their peers. Some serious rethinking needs to be done by the administration and the physical education department in order to address this problem and it needs to happen immediately.
@Anonymous @E!: Maybe they should be afraid to open their mouths in public. Then maybe they won’t continue to be such an embarrassment to our community.
@Baller @E!:
Will stalking football players help them win games? Smh. You guys suffer from homophobia and winaphobia. Stop being an embarrassment on and off the field.
@lel that’s what your mom said! #REKT
@John Asian What a campus full of frauds and hypocrites. All these people are posting but they won’t post their true name for attribution. Yet they are calling for the athletes to be held to that standard.
Why? They can’t meet the standard they require of the athletes! Furthermore, they want THEIR right to free speech but like Fascists they want to stop athletes.
There are 254 posts and hardly any are their names. Is the Columbia experiment really a big fraud? Columbia used to stand for free speech. I guess it’s only when it’s convenient.