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Making Noise About Bin Laden

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Students across campus are rejoicing over the news that Osama bin Laden is dead. Cheers and shouting were coming from John Jay, and there were cries of “USA! USA!” within Butler. Obama is supposed to address the nation imminently, but good luck getting any website to load, so keep an eye on the just addressed the nation confirming that bin Laden was killed by US forces, via the Whitehouse livestream (full text here.)

Update (1:30): Columbians have been sending us pictures from Ground Zero. People from all over the city are congregating there in solidarity and celebration.

Photo from David Fine

Photo from Eric Kutscher

Earlier this evening a Bwogger took some video footage out by John Jay. He was so excited he forgot to turn the camera the right way, but we’re posting for the audio, there’s nothing to see really.

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169 Comments

  1. Uncle Sam

    And this is why you don't fuck with America.

  2. Anonymous  

    EVERYONE GO TO THE STEPS!

  3. Anonymous  

    Truth. 9 years and a shit-ton of people dead. BUT HE'S FINALLY DEAD!

  4. Anonymous  

    cool but no biggie

  5. Probably going to get a lot of thumbs down

    I sincerely hope this makes the world a safer place for Americans as well as the citizens of all nations, but am I the only one who feels a little bit weird celebrating a successful killing like the Giants just won the Super Bowl?

    • Anonymous

      Fuck the Giants

    • Anonymous

      Maybe it doesn't warrant the same type of celebration, but I think it is a victory. Hopefully this won't lead to any attacks on the US...

    • Look at the Victory over Japan  

      day photos, people making out in the streets over a nuke...it is times like this that we start humanizing the enemy...it is just a cultural thing.

      • same guy

        I'd argue that a lot of the atrocities of war are enabled by our dehumanizing the enemy and their dehumanization of us. If we could get everybody enough food, clean water, and security for their families then the Osamas of the world would be reduced to Terry Joneses.

    • Anonymous  

      It is the celebration of the death of an idea. I am too busy to refute this right now. But even though I can empathize with the fact that it seems too barbarous, it is natural, expected, and in my opinion, okay. Have a great night everyone.

      LONG LIVE U.S.A!

      • Anonymous

        except that it's NOT the death of an idea; it's the death of a very powerful symbol of an idea (and, more importantly, the most powerful one with which americans associate). osama's death does not change/diminish the prevalence and significance of ideas like his around the world.

  6. Wow  

    Columbia reinstates ROTC. 2 weeks later, bin Laden is dead.

    Coincidence? Or Roar-ee deploying to Pakistan, kicking ass, and taking names?

  7. Anonymous  

    Who the cares! Certainly not all the dead civilians.

  8. ein staatsfeind  

    jesus nationalism is scary

  9. Anonymous  

    geez freshmen, calm the fuck down.

  10. Christian  

    Might I say, I am disappointed with any and all people who celebrate the death of another person, no matter what they have done.

  11. yeah so  

    this is definitely a step of progress but the celebration seems pre-emptive because it could definitely be a step towards something worse.

    uhm retaliation by al qaeda anyone

  12. to all you haters

    who claimed the wars in afghanistan and iraq are mistakes...i guarantee you regret saying this

    • as if  

      bin laden were the only problem.

    • Anonymous  

      but he was killed in pakistan. Looks like Bush fucked up

    • CC'13  

      nope, pretty sure i am still regretting the war in iraq you dumbass

    • actually  

      He's been in Pakistan since before the war started. Remember that failed mission in '01?

    • President George W. Bush explained

      "For decades, free nations tolerated oppression in the Middle East for the sake of stability. In practice, this approach brought little stability, and much oppression. So I have changed this policy. In the short-term, we will work with every government in the Middle East dedicated to destroying the terrorist networks. In the longer-term, we will expect a higher standard of reform and democracy from our friends in the region. Democracy and reform will make those nations stronger and more stable, and make the world more secure by undermining terrorism at it source. Democratic institutions in the Middle East will not grow overnight; in America, they grew over generations. Yet the nations of the Middle East will find, as we have found, the only path to true progress is the path of freedom and justice and democracy."

      • cmon  

        you don't believe that fucking fairy tale, do you.....do you know how many countries in the world that would "need our liberation" by those standards? And you cannot just "impose democracy" on any nation like you're introducing them to cupcakes or something. And as we all know, there was no goddamn threat from Iraq.

        • President Bill Clinton explained

          December 12, 1998:

          "The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world.”

          ”The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people. Bringing change in Baghdad will take time and effort."

          October 31, 1998:

          "The United States wants Iraq to rejoin the family of nations as a freedom-loving and law-abiding member. This is in our interest and that of our allies within the region.”

          ”The United States favors an Iraq that offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments that this is unattainable due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or sectarian make-up. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone else.”

          ”The United States looks forward to a democratically supported regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the reintegration of Iraq into normal international life."

          July 22, 2003:

          "Let me tell you what I know. When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for. That is, at the end of the first Gulf War, we knew what he had. We knew what was destroyed in all the inspection processes and that was a lot. And then we bombed with the British for four days in 1998. We might have gotten it all; we might have gotten half of it; we might have gotten none of it. But we didn't know. So I thought it was prudent for the president to go to the U.N. and for the U.N. to say you got to let these inspectors in, and this time if you don't cooperate the penalty could be regime change, not just continued sanctions."

          "It is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons. We might have destroyed them in '98. We tried to, but we sure as heck didn't know it because we never got to go back in there. And what I think -- again, I would say the most important thing is we should focus on: What's the best way to build Iraq as a democracy?"

          "We should be pulling for America on this. We should be pulling for the people of Iraq."

  13. Yo Bwog  

    wtf is with changing the video title? It's justice, fucker

  14. Anonymous  

    is it just me or does the live feed actually look a little CG?

  15. Anonymous  

    obama just won 2012 re-election

  16. Anonymous  

    USA USA USA USA! dammn i wish i were in a bar right now - I wonder how the GOP will manage to spin this into a negative.

    • why negative?

      As a foreign policy president, Obama is a neocon. President Obama's foreign policy becomes more derived from President Bush's foreign policy by the day. Obama has validated Bush like no Republican president could have.

  17. Anonymous  

    Are people going to Ground Zero?

  18. Anonymous  

    WHAT NOW O'REILLY? WHATS YOUR TUNE OF OUR MENTAL ACROBATS NOW?

  19. Anonymous

    I want to fuck the guy in the flag

  20. Anonymous  

    celebration in front of the 116th gates tomorrow? c'mon columbia!

  21. America!!!!

    Nothing could be more distracting when I am trying to finish this paper.......

    but FUCK YEAH! Finally! I have never been happier to hear that someone is dead. He deserved, he deserved it alot sooner. Here's to our boots on the ground in Afghan/Pakistan! Great job!

  22. Anonymous  

    yay. bin laden is DEAD.

    ...now lets go after the 10049380396908 bin laden's we've created trying to get this one man

  23. CC12'

    Kill'em all, let god sort them out!

  24. .  

    Yesterday: Snoop Dogg. Today: This.

  25. SEAS 13'

    I should have joined the military.... I wish it was me pulling the trigger on that bastard!

  26. Anonymous  

    AMERICA FTW!!!!!!!!! GO USA!!!

  27. Anonymous  

    I wonder if radical riots in the Middle East will suddenly spike. I hope the troops are prepared over there to deal with this news.

    • really?

      Please tell me you don't actually believe that people in the Middle East all loved Osama, and will be pissed that we killed him.

      Do you think the people calling for democracy in the region right now support a rich, spoiled Saudi Arabian who was strongly involved in a repressive government? You need to question the things you watch on fox...

      • Anonymous  

        I said RADICAL. Of course not everyone, not even most, of the people in the Middle East liked Osama. But the radicals did, he was their figurehead. Will they be upset, most likely. Will the stage radical riots/lash out, maybe. Will the average Middle Eastern agree, of course not! But it only takes 1 radical to do a lot of damage to civilian and our troop. When people lose their leader they tend to let loose and I hope the US troop were warned before this went global so they could prepare and be more aware of unhappy radicals.

        Al-Qaeda does equal radical Muslims in the Middle East. It does NOT equal all of Islam and does NOT represent the views of most of the people there.

        • well...

          wrong again. bin Laden has not been the leader of al Qaeda for a while. Essentially, he has been running and then hiding for the past decade. To think he has been leading this group in any significant way is simply false, but is still perpetuated by our friends at the New York Times.

          Factions of al Qaeda are far more loyal to regional leaders. It may even be a mistake to suppose that there is some strongly unified body known as al Qaeda. Supposing that there will be riots is not only misguided, it is unfounded in the history of al Qaeda and support for al Qaeda in the Middle East. In the future, at least try to learn a bit about the region before you share your thoughts.

          • Anonymous  

            I think you missed something. Figurehead and leader are two different things. But both can raise or lower moral.

          • Agreed  

            The Prime Minister David Cameron is the leader of England but the Queen is the figurehead. As we saw with the Royal Wedding (horrible example I know) she, as a figurehead, does hold some value for the people otherwise 6 million would not have watched the event.

          • Anonymous  

            "When people lose their leader they tend to let loose"

            That person used both the words "leader" and "figurehead." I was simply pointing out that calling him a leader would be incorrect. Whiel we're at it, though, calling him a figurehead for all of al Qaeda could be incorrect as well. Again, al Qaeda is not this world-wide network of tightly bound people looking up to a fearless leader/figurehead/whatever.

            And yes, you're example of Queen Elizabeth was a terrible one, not only because of the cultural and political inconsistencies, but also because 20% of the population of Britain would like to elect their head of state instead of having an inherited monarch.

  28. Anonymous  

    and i thought nothing was going to top the Operation Ivy finals distraction...

  29. Mike Pushpak  

    I am proud to be wearing that flag around campus. YEA AMERICA!

    -Mike Pushpak CC'11

    • Bertrand Russell  

      Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons

      • Anonymous

        Spoken like the true pussy you are. The decision to go into Afghanistan was not for trivial reasons. There were a bunch of religious fanatics that needed to be killed just as all religious fanatics should be. There were many mistakes made along the way but that is to be expected as we adjust to a new conflict. Gone are the days of preparing to fight a massive battle across the Western European/Soviet border. Many of the future conflicts for the U.S. as well as many other countries will pit the Westphalian state against some non-state actor. There was nothing trivial about it.

    • Seriously dude?

      I have an American flag hanging in my room, and let me tell you it is not an item to wear around for tomfoolery. This is a great night for the United States and those who hope for peace around the world, but please take the flag off before you accidentally drag it across the ground.

    • lmao  

      you full-name-outed yourself because you saw that comment of someone who wanted to fuck the guy in the flag didn't you lolol

  30. Anonymous  

    GATHERING AT TIMES SQUARE AND GROUND ZERO !!

  31. Skeptic  

    The US government issues a statement, and it's automatically true. Uh huh.

    • Anonymous  

      That was one of my first thoughts about how quickly this exploded. He probably died months ago from a disease or something. It wouldn't be hard to stage a tale of American heroism and success. they even threw in a little shout out to the Pakistani government to improve relations

  32. dammit Peter Awn  

    you have no idea how difficult it has suddenly become to write my Islam paper

  33. Columbia Students United for Victory

    Shout out.

  34. Anonymous  

    are you all fucking kidding me

    they probably just released this information to boost optimism patriotism whatever, your democracy is a joke

    911 was an inside job or might as well have been

    empire is everywhere nothing is happening

    • inside job?!?!?  

      but… how can u formulate a world view from information you learn over the internet from twitter and youtube any way??!!? come on now….
      this sort of information-distribution system should in know way affect your perception of ‘america’ or your perception of yourself as an ‘american’
      i say: DEMOCRACY IS EVERYWHERE NOTHING IS HAPPENING
      your emipre is a joke
      HOW DO U RESPOND TO THAT HUH?? got n.e. proof 4 me?? links appreciated!

  35. Anonymous

    Pakistan Pakistan Pakistan! (they were good sports weren't they?)

  36. So this

    is why he didn't show up to the Royal Wedding.

  37. ...  

    i'm gonna need to see the long form death certificate.

  38. uh  

    He's been in Pakistan since the beginning of the war. He was never in Iraq.

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  40. Anonymous  

    there's a flag hanging outside someone's window at broadway. yayy patriotism

    • anon  

      American patriotism is disgusting. When others kill, they're terrorists, but when you kill you're heroes. You are a disgusting nation

    • anon  

      nations celebrate like this when they've won wars, not when they've killed an individual. Clearly some nuts and bolts are loose in the American conscience. In some senses the U.S. is advanced, but in others you are truly primitive, and the amazing thing is that you delude yourself.

      • jeez  

        chill out, generalizer. why bother commenting if you're not going to read what other people say

        • anon  

          there is such a thing as a general American spirit, to which I'm referring to.

          • jeez  

            ok, so who has it, how many people have to have it for it to be true, where is it located, and how is it singularly evidenced such that you can make such concrete claims about it as some sort of unchanging entity? it's lazy and corrosive.

          • anon  

            Ok, I really meant more like popular sentiment, and that can actually be gauged with tools such as twitter, facebook, news sources, and plain observation. It's an impression of the feeling that seems to be predominant.

      • aaaand  

        where might you be from exactly?

      • If you want to mourn bin Laden

        That's your problem. I'm celebrating your hero's death at the hands of my heroes. (Also, you obviously have something to learn about combating non-state actors and transnational terrorism.)

        • anon  

          Thank you really for making that distinction. Osama, the leader of a transnational terrorist organization, was killed (apparently), but you also have to look at the fact that in order to accomplish this, the U.S. inflicted damage upon several states (mainly Afghanistan) commensurate or greater than the damage suffered by the U.S. in 911. So even though the U.S. was fighting a transnational organization it had to fight within the borders of several states. Pakistan apparently approved of the American intervention within its borders; I'm not sure whether Afghanistan protected the Alqaeda or whether they supported the invasion for the sake of capturing them, but regardless, I'm sure that the common, innocent man of Afghanistan did not approve of seeing himself suddenly surrounded by death and violence. If things are truly like I've said, then it really just boils down to an eye for an eye because both the terrorist attack and the US's retribution involved casualties. Is that fair? Is that honorable? Is that worthy of a "world leader"? Were the costs of killing Osama worth it? Think of all the death involved, just so you could say "Fuck yeah America".

          • Okay, genius

            Yes, all the world's land is parceled by borders that constrains a nation's military operations in a different ways than it limits a transnational's terrorists. We still have to respect borders.

            What has been your bloodless alternative solution? Note that in keeping with President Bush's Freedom Agenda in the War on Terror, which President Obama has essentially adapted for his own foreign policy, the US has not gone on any region-spanning genocidal country-flattening rampages. The regime changes in Afghanistan and Iraq were carried out with historically low casualties. After regime change, the main American mission has been peace-building in purpose, with the focii of building up a reformed nation that can integrate peacefully in the international community (which Saddam-led Iraq and Taliban-led Afghanistan could not) and security and stability operations to protect the people and the fragile nation-building operation. Even before GEN Petraeus's counterinsurgency strategy was standardized for the military, the US, working with the UN and international community, spent billions and expended lives, enormous resources, and political capital trying to bring about liberal reform and modernization. The occupations have been bloodier than the similarly focused post-war Germany, Korea, and Japan occupations because the terrorists' counter argument against American-led liberal reform and international integration have been based on greater killing and terror, which they've directed at the people themselves. It's ghoulish of you to blame the terrorist-caused deaths on the side trying to build the peace.

            Again, what's been your bloodless alternative? Do you believe Twitter and Facebook flash mobs would have deposed the Baath regime in Iraq, let alone the Taliban in Afghanistan?

          • stop  

            i dont even know if i agree with you, cuase i didnt read it. nobody comes onto bwog for these long ass comments...its about the killer one liners...get out of here

          • Apt analogy

            Fighting the War on Terror is like fighting a mestasizing cancer. You try to be as careful as you can, but the nature of the cancer means the cure can't be done without collateral damage. The host will be damaged and we do what we can to help the body heal from that damage. Indeed, some people try to fight cancer through alternative 'holistic' means, or they reject treatment and accept living as long as their cancer allows them. As we look hopefully upon the Arab Spring, we hope we've done enough to remove the most dangerous tumors and the body's immune system is strong enough to fight the remaining cancer without further outside intervention.

            I'm not sure what your point is about the US fighting within states against transnational terrorism. Osama bin Laden wasn't Freddy Krueger attacking us from an alternate dimension. Fighting terrorism requires crossing borders in one way or another.

        • anon  

          I apologize for the "disgusting" epithets earlier on. That was disrespectful and uncalled for.

      • Anonymous

        Well the thing is that when you are fighting a non-state actor it is very hard to define what winning looks like. If an enemy is a nebulous group of individuals then "winning" would best be approximated by their elimination.

  41. BTW  

    Voldemort was killed on May 2nd, Hitler on April 30th. Spring is a good time for overthrowing dark lords.

  42. Jeez, people  

    Let's be real. If you aren't at least hopeful for the Middle East and the rest of the world now that the symbol of global terrorism is dead, you should be. But dancing on our enemies' graves is not what America is about.

    Let's celebrate a new hope for peace in the world, not the death of a man.

  43. Anonymous  

    voldy is moldy

  44. Am I the only one whos thinking  

    FUCK YOU ANTHROPOLOGY DEPARTMENT!

    Bet you're feeling pretty goddamn stupid right now for opposing ROTC, eh?

  45. overheard a couple on low  

    LETS FUCK FOR AMERICA

  46. Auden  

    "Accurate scholarship can/ Unearth the whole offence / From Luther until now / That has driven a culture mad, / Find what occurred at Linz, / What huge imago made / A psychopathic god: / I and the public know / What all schoolchildren learn, / Those to whom evil is done / Do evil in return."

  47. Anonymous  

    War persists.

  48. Anonymous

    The guy who killed Bin Laden is about to be one of the most famous people in American history.

  49. Anonymous  

    This is all wrong.

  50. Auden?  

    What poem is that, Auden commenter?

  51. Anonymous  

    The guy who killed Bin Laden will have the greatest pickup line at a bar, like, ever.

  52. Anonymous  

    New fb status.

    [Insert name here] just put a bullet in Osama's head. Party!!

  53. Wewt  

    So I heard Eric Kutscher is single...

  54. Thank You

    George W. Bush, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condaleeza Rice and the Bush Administration staffers for lying to us all, and sending us unnecessarily into conflict under false pre-tenses. You created a great cycle of deficit spending, under supplied troops, and the deaths of so many for a shallow cry of VICTORY!! Which was of course followed by months of insurgency, road side bombs and more unnecessary deaths. I greet and salute your brash, misinformed, repugnant, and inconsiderate conservatism with a balled fist, and a solemn hope that more of the truth will come out with the death of one said ideological extremist, who of course was not in Afghanistan and not Iraq but of course in Pakistan of all places.

    • Are you really this stupid?

      The relation of Operation Iraqi Freedom to the War on Terror is fairly debatable, though not unrelated. But if you don't understand the invasion of Afghanistan you're a complete idiot.

      • THank YOu  

        Am I that stupid? What is our exit strategy for Afghanistan? The Taliban still control portions of the country that we have been fighting over since the Bush Administration. WE look really smart for "instituting our brand of democracy" there. Propping up a weak government that does not really reach out to the people tribal regions there and then "staying the course". Yeah I am really that stupid. But then again you fail to think deeply into your answer, like any idiot who would have rushed into the middle east to change governments without reading your history books, with some shoddy intel.

    • W

      You are welcome ass hole.

  55. Anonymous

    Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 31

    Good weapons are instruments of fear; all creatures hate them.
    Therefore followers of the Tao never used them.
    The wise man prefers the left.
    The man of war prefers the right.

    Weapons are instruments of fear; they are not a wise man's tools.
    He uses them only when he has no choice.
    Peace and quiet are dear to his heart.
    And victory no cause for rejoicing.
    If you rejoice in victory, then you delight in killing;
    If you delight in killing, you cannot fulfill yourself.

    On happy occasions precedence is given to the left,
    On sad occasions to the right.
    In the army the general stands on the left,
    The commander-in-chief on the right.
    This means that war is conducted like a funeral.
    When many people are being killed,
    They should be mourned in heartfelt sorrow.
    That is why a victory must be observed like a funeral.

  56. Anonymous

    "I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." -Martin Luther King, Jr.

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