118 CommentsUpdate: The anonymous artist is Kyle Hom, SEAS ’14. Snaps, Kyle!
A rather crafty tipster submitted this piece of lovely Photoshop GIMP art today. It’s just the latest in a range of t-shirts, mugs, and cufflinks (we don’t get it either) inspired by a British Ministry of Information poster from the Second World War. Originally used to provide a false sense of security to English citizens when their homes could be leveled at any second, we’re glad to see the print remade into a much more educational version. We know, humanities majors, reading is hard too. Engineers, stop procrastinating!
- If Columbia were England would PrezBo be our queen?
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118 Comments
@Anonymous economics is a real major! you can suck it
@Anonymous We didn’t start the flame war
peeps were hating on the forum
before I left my comment
@Anonymous In my head billy joel is singing your comment.
@HARPDARP HARP DARP r/circlejerk
@Anonymous this makes both schools look like hyper competitive assholes. please let’s never do this again. threads like this sum up everything the rest of the world hates about us.
@Whichever school... posts more on this obviously has less work to do. Stop procrastinating and study for your finals.
@transfer SEAS -> CC This is my first finals season as a CC student. I only have 4 finals, 2 of which are take home. My 2 CC majors COMBINED have less requirements than my one SEAS major did and I’ve just been chillin this entire semester.
@Anonymous there is something very wrong with this scenario…
@Anonymous Take some real majors then. Polisci and philosophy don’t count.
@... this is kinda like, the best troll ever. even better, bwog (knowingly or unknowingly) played along…
you know, this could be like a real columbia tradition that truly reflects the values of the school. every semester during exams, people compete to see who can bring out the best of columbia hatred as everyone hides behind the delineations setup by the university for reasons that don’t really stretch much further beyond justification of allowing the bureaucracy to grow…
@Anonymous Stress? Hyper-competitive douchebaggerry? Arbitrary delineations? Self-sustaining and propagating bureaucracy?
You’ve done it, summarized Columbia in a paragraph. This information should be sent out with acceptance letters.
@get ready for the cliche I’d honestly rather be happy and poor and do what I love, rather lead a hollow existence defined exclusively by the quantitative.
HANG IT UP. FLAAAAT SCREEN.
art history major lovin’ LIFE.
@Anonymous Because using math to describe how things actually work is a hollow existence.
@Anonymous Oh but it can be. It can be…
@Anonymous okay you can go back into the kitchen now
@Anonymous you probably use more math in the kitchen then in art history…..
@Anonymous We are all students of Columbia University, and therefore the greatest people in the world. We must stand united under the same blue flag no-matter what our affiliations or backgrounds appear to be.
@b@btard This (less polarizing) version was posted on b@b last year: http://i56.tinypic.com/27zvk36.jpg I used it as my desktop wallpaper
@Barnard '13 Psh I don’t know why you guys are even arguing. Barnard is obviously much harder than CC or SEAS. Try having to know in NINE WHOLE WAYS and look cute while doing it!
@Anonymous Knowing how to suck and fuck in 9 different ways probably isn’t all that hard for you.
@Anonymous Oh my god having sex?! HOW SHAMEFUL. BURN.
@Anonymous Upvoted by hopefuls
@Ash Humanities majors and engineers should STFU. Trying to convince my Pikachu to evolve is SOO much harder than your finals
@Pikachu y u no tell me to plant my tail in the ground and matrix dodge all of Raichu’s lightning?
@On the MIT debate Here’s plenty of evidence for affirmative action here to me:
http://mitadmissions.org/pages/policies
http://web.mit.edu/policies/7/7.1.html
When they say holistic, it’s an excuse to recruit minorities who might not best fit the traditional criteria of merit and ability, of course. It seems, from the reading, that MIT is becoming a melting pot of different people, a big, interesting “family of students.” It is definitely a place to go if I want to meet people of all walks of life, but I wouldn’t necessarily assume that they are all geniuses and the best of the best.
To be fair though, Columbia is also pretty big on affirmative action. Still, it is irrational to stereotype MIT as being a center of geniuses more than places like Columbia. There’s simply no grounding. To make that judgment, many of you are inherently admitting that science and engineering students are somehow naturally smarter than humanities students.
@CC'11, SEAS'12 alright guys why are we fighting here? whether you are studying engineering or art history, we are all one people. we all passed under the watchful eye of the dark lord jessica marinaccio and survived.
now those barnard people on the other hand…
@Anonymous haha way to dichotomize art history with engineering. subtle jab.
@Anonymous “SEAS is easier to get into than CC; therefore, SEAS is easier, and the kids who go there are not as elite.”
— infallible logic
@Anonymous Either you are sarcastic or plain dumb
@Anonymous the fact that you can’t, without uncertainty, discerne the overwhelming volume of sarcasm in that statement leads me to believe you’re a SEAS student….
now i’m sure that just confused you more.
i’m kidding. obviously. everyone here is. the whole competition thing is bullshit but inevitable. i urge people not to complain, but when others do, just understand that it helps them feel better, so don’t raise a hissy fit when they do. if you need to counter with your large amount of work to feel better then do so, but then don’t complain when others do the same.
@YOU are plain dumb
@Hey guys Drink a glass of water and chill out.
Your academic difficulty is a lot less relevant than whether or not you can behave as if you’re older than 5. =/ There’s no reason to behave so pettily, and you make the whole institution look bad when you do.
@Anon Just a sidenote: HOLY CRAP KYLE HOM WENT TO MY HIGH SCHOOL
:D
@Anonymous Dude, there are like 20 Stuyvesant grads that attend Columbia each year…
@A Hawk Hunter College High School > Stuyvesant.
flame war within flame war???
@Anonymous Don’t make me laugh…we all know that Stuyvesant > Hunter. I kid. I didn’t even get into Hunter. No but seriously…
@CC12 As I once heard Kreayshawn say in an interview (don’t judge me), the world needs all kinds of bitches. You’re all special and should go pet some puppies.
@Anonymous I just read the first comment, and saw 50 comments filled with the same bullshit CC vs SEAS and of course the Barnard jokes. Stop arguing, finals is not the time to bring each other down! I come here for a little humor and distraction and I see this!?
In the end, all that matters is doing whatever makes you satisfied, be it saving the world, raking in the big bucks or working at a local high school and not caring about what other people think. You are going to live with your decisions and your regrets, so you should just concentrate on yourself, so stop fucking comparing, because what works for X person does not necessarily work for Y and Z.
@Anonymous i agree about the seas vs cc bullshit, that gets old. but BARNARD JOKES? THEY’LL NEVER STOP BEING FUNNY. and accurate of course.
@Anonymous ITT: butthurt humanities majors.
@Anonymous case in point. engineers are procrastinating.
@Anonymous Haha, I’m from Princeton. I am just stalking through Bwog, because my friend here is telling me how awesome this website is. Columbia students are intense and surprisingly internally conflicted. And yes, I am procrastinating too. I’m an ORFE student at Princeton, so I guess I do qualify as a procrastinating engineer?
@Anonymous Princeton students are aloof and surprisingly socially insulated.
I’m assuming that since you’re ORFE, you’re not in Bicker or any of the more prestigious eating clubs. Also, I’ll assume that you’re slightly nerdy but socially passable and want to go into Financial Services, preferably Sales & Trading but Investment Banking if the market dictates.
Given that my question to you is, “How does it feel when you don’t have an answer to the first question a Princeton Alum will ask you? What eating club did you belong to?”
You may respond with, “Fuck you, Columbia is/was ranked [ ] 4 years ago.”
@Anonymous You’re from Princeton? How are you posting from on campus? 0_O
@Anonymous I am staying over my friend’s here. That is why I am stalking.
To the first question, not all Princeton students are as obsessed in getting into the right eating club as you think they do.
@hmm You just decided to plan a jaunt to New York during the reading period at Columbia, and during or within close proximity of your own finals?
@Anonymous It is my friends birthday and we are bbf since high school. It is also not hard to trek up here. Besides my finals are not until jan after this year. Im actually planning on visiting my buddies in Connecticut after this. Im a free agent you can say these several days.
@Anonymous “FINAL clubs. Not finals clubs.”
@Anonymous Yea, that womp, womp guy/girl should eat his/her own shit. Now, he’s gonna brag about how CC is so much “more selective” than every other school on the planet except Harvard. And I wouldn’t be shocked that he will gain even more ego if next year Columbia’s admissions rate drops below Harvard’s. But here is the reality, you are only fooling yourself by thinking that some admission number decides a school’s selectivity.
Based on your stupid assumption, I would assume that you also got into hmmm let say Princeton, Yale, MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Oxford, Cambridge, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, and every other freakin school on the list that has a slightly higher admissions number. But I bet you didn’t.
So stop trying to cover up your own insecurity but putting others down
@Tommie TeachHer hey debbie you’re tacky and overdone.
go suck a dick and make something of your life
@debbie downer stay calm poster edits are tacky and overdone
@Anonymous I’m in civil engineering and took 2 semester of cc, a philosophy class, art hum, another art history class and a couple semesters of french. People in engineering DO have to take a lot of the core and they have non-tech requirements if you didn’t know… People who choose to go to SEAS do so because they want a well-rounded education (I hope) unlike really techy schools like MIT, georgia tech, etc. Also, people in SEAS have to write legitimate papers. My research group and I just finished writing a 60-page paper. It was the first thing we finished before reading week even started. There’s really so much overlap between the two schools…
@Womp womp: SEAS is a bad engineering schoo Too bad SEAS is easier to get into that CC… If you guys were so brilliant, you should have gone to a good engineering school.
Also, and I’m sorry, but studying as an engineer in order to get a job doing Sales and Trading… seems like a waste of an engineering degree. You guys DO go to the professional school here, unlike us. The engineers who go to good engineering schools are actually busy using science in an applied way to solve real problems… and structuring a derivative doesn’t qualify as a “real problem.”
@Anonymous you man like how you would never an MIT graduate going into finance?
@Anonymous *’would never see’
@Anonymous Wow, way to assume that all of SEAS wants to go into finance.
Thanks for invalidating all of the ‘real’ engineering we do at SEAS, like you know, bringing finger prick 15 minute HIV tests to Africa or developing nanophotonic optical broadband switches…
@That is why you are bad at numbers SEAS is not easier to get into than CC. You probably got that idea from the 3% admission point difference which is so statistically insignificant. On the other hand, SEAS is the one bumping up the SAT score for the undergraduate population, and quite frankly, U.S. news care much more about SAT score than admission rate in their selectivity index.
Judging from your unqualified generalization, I don’t think you can get into SEAS with your level of thinking, and even if you did the science professors won’t take your bull shits. You probably won’t survive. So it is actually better that you self-selected yourself out of doing engineering early on.
And the reason people go to SEAS rather than Georgia Tech or Purdue (higher ranked engineering schools) is that they train you to be a tool;and they are public schools. On the other hand, MIT is great for doctoral studies but suck at the undergraduate level, because nowadays they care too much about affirmative action to truly recruit any bright student.
So no, you are an idiot
@... you don’t like gatech and purdue because “they train you to be a tool”?
guess it just comes naturally to some people…
@Anonymous did u just say MIT cares too much about Affirmative action to recruit any ‘Bright Students”? think about that, what are you saying really?
@dude its fairly obvious mit does. just google mit affirmative action. also look at the fairly equal proportion of men and women. u know it is so much easier for girls to get into mit relative to guys. affirmative action is alive and well there
@CC '14 That’s nice that girls have an easier time getting into MIT and a few other engineering schools.
How about the fact that because there are too many qualified female candidates applying to the majority of universities nationwide, all of those have a bias towards the less-qualified male students to keep the sex ratio even?
@Anonymous Girls might be equally qualified, but certainly fewer are interested in engineering than guys. So the fact that MIT still maintains a close girls-guys ratio shows they practice intense affirmative action
@Anonymous I’m from CC, and I don’t fault students in SEAS for trying to get jobs on Wall Street. Almost every Columbia and indeed Ivy League student is trying to get lucrative jobs. It just turns out that in this capitalist society, finance jobs are currently still the most lucrative.
As a music and philosophy major, I find it hard to get a job. This is reality. No matter how much I bull shit my cover letter explaining to employers in finance and consulting why I want to go into these industries and why I am qualified, I still find it harder to win their hearts, especially considering I am competing against 100 other econ majors and engineers for the same position. They definitely have the edge.
So yes, a pure liberal arts education does not bar one from getting jobs, but it does make it harder. If you don’t mind the headache making your case on the job market, then no doubt go for the liberal education where you get to study whatever you like. But i don’t recommend it if your goal is getting a good job and don’t have the family connection to get it otherwise.
With respect to the attitude that professional school is somehow inferior, I know deep down that they are not. My hope is to get into business school after college, and it is a professional school. I can’t fathom going into arts school, since my goal is to get a good-paying job. Yes, I am being lame and realistic. But at least I’m being honest. Idealism for solving the world’s problem is great and admirable, but sometime you have to do good for yourself first…
@Hector of Troy Yeah guys, take it from me: Do good for yourself first! Caring too much about the good of the many is a REAL DRAG…. (around the city walls)
@Anonymous at least in a humanities course you have to get an A for an A grade. You can’t just b.s. your way to a 70 on the final and get it curved to an A- (like in all science courses)
@Anonymous Lol. I don’t know if you can BS your way to a 70.
Some SEAS tests have an average in the 10-20’s. You can BS your way to a C+ in those classes.
@Anonymous 10-20%? Idk man, that’s pretty bad, no matter how hard the class is.
@Anonymous …and yet has happened. MULTIPLE times. (Hey professors, are you listening??)
@Anonymous I’m sorry, did you just say that you can BS your way to an A in a quantitative class but not in a humanities course…?
Lol.
There’s a reason why those classes are curved…
@.... …facepalm
@kyle Yes! I have successfully started a flame war! Cue immature chortles and giggles!
The College’s power levels? Discuss!
SEAS FTWWW YEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHH LOLOLOLOL LOOOOOOL
Because yeah, I have absolutely nothing better to do than to post re-purposed memes for stressed out college kids to piss over each other about power levels. In no way whatsoever did I intend for this to happen, but I am completely satisfied at the outcome. Thank you.
@Anonymous Hey, if you’re smart enough to know about GIMP, you’re probably smart enough to extract the vector-based crown logos from Columbia’s “Identity Guidelines” PDF so you can make a better hi-quality poster.
http://www.columbia.edu/content/web-identity-guidelines.html
@kyle I did not know about that. I literally did this 15 minutes between problem sets. Thank you for the resource, though I’m a little wary about creating anything so … inflammatory. Perhaps to appease the College students, I should replace the SEAS crown with an upside down College crown? Or a Harvard emblem? Or an ordinary tiara? Who knows? Feedback appreciated. <<33.
In case you can't tell, I'm completely serious about the thanks, and completely snarking the whole debate.
@Anonymous The poster hanging in my office… http://chmullig.com/2011/06/keep-calm-and-study-on/
@Anonymous Shit yeah engineering majors are hard. But you could argue that the true test of intelligence is choosing a major that doesn’t require SEAS-level panic.
@Anonymous extending that logic further, the truly genius chose to never to go college and therefore not deal with this kind of crap
@Anonymous Ah, yes. I used to be brilliant, but then I became a GS student.
@GS Oh god it’s so true.
@Nilay The hell is wrong with you people? Do what you enjoy and you’ll be happy.
Are you so insecure about your academic lives that you have to brag about how your field of study is more difficult than someone else’s? You disgust me.
@Anonymous Science of being in the kitchen maybe
@Subtext I’m smarter than you! (Please love me).
@Anonymous English/History Essays
– large set of data, only need to know a portion well enough to write on
“You didn’t mention the effect of protectionist trade policies following the Panic of 1873 on the search for new markets and its effect on WWI.” (Result: A-)
Mathematics/Engineering/Economics Exams & Psets
– large set of data, must know all of it
“I see you forgot that Utility functions are unknown to all players. It’s actually the property of monotonicity and equivalent utility maximization that allows you to set these Pij’s equal to each other.” (Result: 25% credit taken off)
@Anonymous Humanities at the college level reflect doctoral studies, which means you focus on one area to research and argue a point cogently while accounting for a few divergent arguments. Professors don’t expect a student to refer to Samuel Slater when writing about WWI.
Science and mathematics courses are introductions to basic material. Engineers and scientists need to know all the information that is covered, because they’re all crucial to further work or research.
Humanities majors have more preparation for their line of work graduating from high school. Do you understand English grammar? Do you understand how to construct a sentence? Do you understand how to construct an argument?
More quantitative students need more preparation to be able to conduct research or work. Can HS seniors solve ODE’s? Can they prove that the sample mean is an unbiased estimator of the population mean? Can HS seniors take functional derivatives?
These processes form the basis of mathematical and scientific doctoral research.
@Seriously, cool story bro…
@Anonymous Yet I somehow suspect that this guy would not be able to handle the mere “introduction to basic material” that engineering classes entail.
@Anonymous To answer your question about the highschool seniors…
“Can HS seniors solve ODE’s? Can they prove that the sample mean is an unbiased estimator of the population mean? Can HS seniors take functional derivatives?”
I dont know what you did in high school but, YES, YES and YES.
@Alexander Hamilton '76 Guys, we changed our name from King’s College for a reason.
@... “…and this is my receipt, for your receipt.”
@Trevone Do they teach science at Barnard?
@Anonymous yeah, in nine ways, or something like that
@CC student kyle you’re awesome.
@English major, a paper IS finite, it’s called a page limit. And even if the professor did not set a limit, I find it very unlikely that you’re trying to write an infinitely long research paper.
@cc'14 you miss the point, this being that there is no singularity pertaining to a paper’s “answer” or response. one must form a postulate from the given works and, using some notion of intertextuality, draw forth a new and believable thesis, grounded by a well-constructed and persuasive argument. the logic of numbers is valuable in the machine world, but a bit different from the logic of words in the minds of (wo)men. this is not to say either is inferior; they are simply different.
@Anonymous If you BS your paper like you BS your comment, then I can’t imagine writing a paper being hard at all
@Anonymous ugh. why the fuck do I bother. eat a dick.
@i'm pretty sure this was satirical. if so, props.
@Math Major I understand Engrish takes arot of work. But, your grade can go to shit when you take science class, so finar is very important. You can burrshit with Engrish. :D
@Anonymous i c wat u did thur
@English major I’d love to see an engineer try to write my research paper. I recognize that math and science are very hard, but I’m tired of science majors complaining that they have significantly more work than us. A problem set is finite, an essay is not.
@Anonymous I’d love to see an english major get a job. I recognize that research papers are hard and not finite, but I’m tired of english majors complaining about the complaining of engineers. Engineering and science jobs are not finite, ones for english majors are.
@cc'14 honestly, both camps shut the fuck up: both disciplines have their merits and their difficulties. now try doing both, simultaneously. that’s a clusterfuck. I can say this because I’m an english major who’s premed. granted, not compsci shit, but I do get a good nibble of the sciences. heartin’ population genetics and modernist poetry all over the webs bitchez.
(but in all seriousness. if you ignore the excessive vulgarity, you’ll see that there’s a genuine desire to no longer see CC and SEAS students bickering like children with addled brains. I get so sick and tired of it.)
@Hey Cool story, bro
@Anonymous yeah, this is what I fuckin mean. it’s what I type childishly: so you’ll understand.
@Anonymous you take intro classes of every science. that is not even remotely difficult. stfu. pre-med english. lmfao.
I’m a science major and the english part of that is 5 times as difficult. fucking pre-med
@Anonymous fuck you, your paper doesn’t have to compile.
@Anonymous good luck using your paper as a writing your sample when you are applying to hamdel
@Anonymous writing sample *
-_- self burn
@Anonymous good luck teaching math at a local high school
@confused why is it supposed to be obvious that this would be a terrible thing?
@Anonymous good luck teaching p.e. at a local high school
@Another English major I know! I hate writing infinity-word essays!
@seas There’s a difference between comparing the amount of work we have and complaining about our work. It seems like every time I complain about my midterms or problem sets to CC students just for consolation, they immediately take that as an indication to start listing all the papers they have to do and how they have it hard as well. I’m pretty sure SEAS students don’t directly say to CC students, “we have more work than you” (or at least not in front of you guys anyway). I’m pretty sure it’s just the competitive nature of the CC kids bursting out to try and prove that they are just as hardworking/smart as SEAS kids. Honey, you don’t have to prove anything, we’re all in Columbia aren’t we? We are all just as hardworking and intelligent as anyone else in this university, maybe just in different areas.
@are you shitting me? seas kid: how’s everything going? lot o’ work to do?
me: eh, not so much, i just have X due on Y.
seas kid: THAT’S ALL?! OH MY GOD I HAVE TO DO X, Y, Z, D, D;SKJA;;KLJASD ALL BY TOMORROW! GOD CC KIDS.
that’s my story.
but seriously, there are annoying kids and cool kids in both CC and SEAS. annoying people are just annoying in general; don’t connect their annoying qualities with they school they unfortunately represent.
@this can’t be serious
@Engineer You forget that engineers also are required to take most of the Core…so yes, we’d know how to write a research paper.
@Anonymous in what core class do your write a legitimate research paper?
@whoa most of the core? my friend doing civil engineering had to choose between lit hum, cc, and global core (took two semesters of bullshit global core of course) and one semester of something arts-related (he chose music hum). three semesters does not a core make.
@SEAS '12 I just wrote a 19-page paper (4600 words) for my research project in SEAS. How about that?
@SEAS '12 It had figures too, which is why it was 19 pages