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Three Men Found Shot on 122nd Street

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Update, 6/9, 2:00 pm: Cops have released a video (via Gothamist) of the suspect. The Times reports that police believe that the three men found dead were drug dealers who were shot execution-style for stealing from other drug dealers. All three victims had prior arrests on their records.

Update, 6/8, 5:00 pm: Vice President for Public Safety James McShane has sent a message to parents and students detailing the Columbia’s security measures and procedures.

Update, 6/8, 3:20 pm: An email was just sent to all students reiterating the lack of involvement in the incident from members of the Columbia Community, and urging everyone who isn’t already signed up for text alerts to do so:

You may have seen or heard news reports about the violent incident yesterday on West 122nd Street. The NYPD is investigating, but there has been no suggestion that this event involved any member of the Columbia community, or that the University community was at risk.

For Students: Log in to Student Services Online, click on “Text Message Enrollment,” and add your cell phone number.

For Faculty and Staff: Log in to MyColumbia, click on the Faculty & Staff tab, and update your personal information. Select “Mobile” from the phone type, add your mobile  phone number, and click “Save.”

Update, 1:20 am: Look below for a few pictures from the crime scene.

Update, 11:47 pm: Things are pretty much wrapped up. Apparently Ray Kelly, Commissioner of the NYPD, was on the scene earlier. Paul Browne, Deputy Commissioner of Public Information, gave the media briefings.

Update, 11:00 pm: All 3 victims are now believed to be Hispanic and in their twenties. The man in the back seat appears to have been shot in the left temple and those in front appear to be shot in the head/neck by the back of their ears. Those in front are wearing blood-soaked t shirts.

Update, 10:35 pm: Our reporter on the scene sent us the following.

Police just came and updated us. At 6:30 pm, a guy walking from Riverside park to Broadway saw what looked like two dead bodies in car and flagged down a police cruiser, which reported three dead males with apparent gunshot wounds. The car is a recently purchased 2009 BMW LI, which was not parked on 122nd street for an extended period of time, only an hour or so. There were no reports of shots fired or calls to 911, suggesting that the victims were not shot there.

All the windows are very tinted, possibly illegally, so police are just squinting through the cracked windshield. The car isn’t badly damaged; no windows are blown out. NYPD ran the car’s license plates and they don’t match the registration.

Police are now photographing the victims, who they believe the males are in their twenties. The driver is black, the passenger is possibly Hispanic, and the race of the man in the back is unknown. The passenger is wearing a Yankees cap. All three appear to have gunshot wounds, probably in the head, and there’s blood.

There are cameras on the block, which the police will check.

Update, 10:13 pm: The administration sent along another text notification.

The police investigation of the incident at 122nd Street and Broadway is continuing, but there is no apparent involvement by members of the Columbia community. Affiliates are advised to avoid the area.

Three victims were found dead inside of a BMW parked near 122nd and Claremont, as reported by NBC and the NYPost. The Post reports that the cause of death for all three individuals appears to be gunshot wounds, which it seems were delivered inside the car. Columbia has just sent out an emergency text message and email, both of which read:

Three persons were discovered deceased in an auto from an apparent gunshot wound at 122nd Street between Broadway and Claremont. NYPD is investigating. Further details as they become available.

Stay alert, folks!

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264 Comments

  1. anon

    i get direct notifications to my phone ... how the hell did bwog have this posted before i finished reading it from my phone??

  2. Anonymous

    targetting the MESAAS dept?

  3. bad writing

    They make it sound like all three died due to one gunshot wound

  4. Anonymous

    How much baseless casual racism can we get into this thread? Push yourself, Bwog commenters.

    • Anonymous

      Are you kidding me? This is bwog at like 5% baseless casual racism. You clearly have no idea what it is capable of.

    • Anonymous

      I'm sick of this PC bullshit. I'm an alumna now and was sexually assaulted right around this area by a group of black kids (10-13) ... Around 5-8 of them with others cheering them on while I walked by in a cocktail dress one night during dusk as a student. They said the most vile shit and actually grabbed my crotch. One group of women hailed public safety but I hailed them away because I was honestly just embarrassed as I was young. I've been followed home around here by minorities (thank god for Rudy and desk attendants) and verbally assaulted by men (predominantly from minority groups) thoughout my time as a student here as well. This latter part is still true today and I've been forced to start taking cabs and having a man walk me to the curb to do so especially during the day time when the delivery trucks are out. I've been hissed at, called over like a cat, asked if I'd take it in the ass, and more of the most vile and demeaning shit you can think of. And guess what, save for the lone construction worker or 2 (who keep to the 'traditional' whistle) they've all been low-life men of black and Latino descent. Shame on their families for the terrible life they lead now, and shame on this killer(s)' family as well. /rant

      • Anonymous

        Oh, wow. I'm sorry for the bad experiences you've had. But to generalize those experiences across races and particular minority groups remains immensely problematic. The only valid point to be drawn from your experiences is that particular racial minorities face systematic economic disadvantage due to historical oppression, and that poverty breeds violence, misogyny, etc.

        • Anonymous

          Who recognizes my disadvantage in a public forum? Also see my clarifying point below. You could have purple skin, but if a group of purple skinned people were systematically assaulting me, I'd be sure to at the very least point out the facts surrounding my problem.

        • CC 13  

          If she's telling the truth how is that an issue? She never said all minorities everywhere were thugs, just the facts of her experience, facts which by definition are unbiased.

          If we're going to combat this horrid behavior let's at least be honest about it, as she was here.

          All the same, what a terrible shocking tragedy.

          (not that it should matter but I'm a hispanic male, for the record)

          • CC'13

            She may not have said it outright, but her comments are tantamount to that, and much as I am sorry for such a horrible experience, that is not ok. People, not races or classes, but people are the ones who sexually assault other people. It may be more rampant in certain demographics, but once again, it is the people. Let's give only to Caesar, what belongs to only him. Spare the rest of Rome.

        • Dominant Strategy

          If I was bit by a stray dog, is it unfair of me to generalize that I should be afraid of stray dogs? Prescribing attitudes to people who may have a legitimate rationale for having their own is just as ignorant as the "racism" you intend to "fight".

          • Ummm...

            Are we comparing people to dogs now? Is that where this thread is going?

          • Actually

            People who commit such heinous crimes are worse than dogs... As for the minority issue, it's not racism if the stats show that you are more likely to have your iPhone swiped from you or your ass smacked by a Latino or black rather than a Korean kid wearing a Columbia hoodie. Oh, wait- Asians are minorities too...

      • Anonymous

        I'm sorry to hear about your experiences, but you weren't harassed by lower-class minorities. You were harassed by a bunch of dick wads who just happened to all be lower-class minorities. Please don't generalize my people.

        Sincerely, someone who's been a victim of multiple physical attacks by minorities, but didn't resort to blaming their ethnicity as the problem.

        • Anonymous

          "... but you weren’t harassed by lower-class minorities. You were harassed by a bunch of ...lower-class minorities. "

          Your comment is fixed - and you betray not a hint of knowing the error you made.
          The subset of "dickwads" and "lower-class minorities" is one in the same in the incident mentioned above.

      • Andrea Garcia-Vargas  

        Had you been assaulted by a of white 10-13 year-old's, would you have pointed out they were white? Would you have called them "low life's of Western European/Caucasian descent"?

        Didn't think so.

        I'm sorry for what you went through, and I hope you're receiving the help you need. But please take a good look at your words. Yes, they were all black and Latino, but by the way you said it, you're implying that that alone completely clarifies why it was that they sexually assaulted you.

      • Anonymous  

        Yeah, you're a racist. FYI.

      • While this was terrible...

        I really must ask you this: are you afraid of being assaulted by: those same teens, any man of hispanic or black ethnicity, any man in that area, or just men you do not know?

        • Anonymous

          i'm now petrified of any man i do not know. how's that for some profiling.

          • Anonymous

            fair, but i'm hoping you have a significant other at the moment, cause it's gonna be tough meeting a new guy. and my goal was just to take steps back in widening the demographic that these individuals (all male it sounds) that harassed her fell into

      • Silly observation

        "thank god for Rudy"

        Just in case you failed to notice: Rudy is black. And because Barnard doesn't pay it's desk attendants that well...probably lower class...

        I'm going to second everyone who said you shouldnt generalize, obviously.

        • Anonymous

          You've got to be kidding me. I used to make snack for the man all year. Of course.

          This only proves (what most of you are) missing. I do not think my race is superior. But I know I am DAMNED superior to the men who harass me and sexually assault me everyday. Like some other women have voiced on this thread, the truth is that most of these men are from racial minorities. THIS DOES NOT MEAN ALL MINORITIES HARASS WOMEN. It does, however mean, that I've generalized my fear towards men, especially towards minorities, and I really want that to not be the case.

          I do not like this fact more than anyone else does on this thread. But don't tell me I can't get upset over this.

      • anon

        dear Anonymous,

        you make an excellent, original and incredibly relevant point. first of all, i'm also tired of this "PC bullshit," as you put it so eloquently. it's so rare to find someone on the internet these days who sticks to their racially insensitive beliefs when posting anonymously! i am awed by your courageous, raw honesty. you are a maverick, and sarah palin would be proud of you.

        and thank you for bringing up your personal sexual harassment history -- it was so deeply pertinent to the above story of three people getting shot. thanks to your invaluable input, the authorities are now one step closer to finding the culprit of this heinous crime. all black and hispanic males between the ages of 10 and 13 and are into crotch-grabbing and whistling in the general manhattan area have now become prime suspects! in fact, what the hell, let's just cut the shit and throw all of them in jail without a trial.

        i've always shared your opinion that minorities bring nothing but trouble to this great nation of ours; they come to America seeking religious tolerance or political asylum, inhabit our land without our permission, rape our people and infect our people with disease. thank the Almight Lord that the white man has never resorted to that kind of animal behavior!

        • Anonymous

          Your snarkasm is entertaining.
          Is that 1970's vintage Mother Goose Marxism?
          I especially liked the white guilt bits but you forgot that whole Means of Production thingy.

  5. Anonymous

    Spec's got live updates from the scene

  6. Anonymous

    Thanks for the broad generalizations about minorities who live in Harlem; they're super rational coming from someone who should have learned more than blatant racism from her college education. Three people dying really isn't the time or the context to bring up the your experiences with sexual harassment, and it's not adding anything relevant to the conversation. And yes, True, ALL local black and Hispanic men are criminals. Your bias and apparent ignorance concerning any other race or ethnicity besides your own is showing.
    Also, Anonymous, who said this was a homicide? For all you know it was a suicide pact.

    • Anonymous

      I used to be just like you. I'd scream it from the rooftops. But let me know if you feel differently after sobbing because you can't walk outside your door an your boyfriend (who is a minority) tries to do everything he can short of moving to fix things.

    • Anonymous

      Also, I could be a tomato but I'll place a $10k bet that this was a homicide.

    • Uh...

      I can also offer this statistic: in six semesters, 100% of all the break-ins we've had at the gym have been perpetrated by black men. Some of the creepier bathroom stuff has included hispanic males. But, we've caught dozens of black men taking YOUR things.

      Explain to me how it's a problem to point that out?

      • Anonymous

        fuck you and your statistics. math is a lie and logic is RACIST.

      • Andrea Garcia-Vargas  

        It's not inherently a problem to point it out. What's really problematic is that had 100 percent of the break-ins been perpetrated by white men, no one would have pointed that out.

        • Anonymous

          you're saying that is like jezebel's indignant projections that the penn state sex scandal only got lots of press because the subjects were boys, and people would have ignored it with girl victims. Sure, if that happened, it would reflect a double standard, and so would/has the act of not grouping white criminals together as readily as we do minorities. But bringing up a philosophical issue founded in preemptive defensiveness (in any case, defensiveness that these commenters have not earned) in a thread of reactions to a real event definitely does NOT make your point sympathetic.

      • Anonymous

        wait wait wait. 'Reported' break-ins were committed by black males. Oddly enough, there are people willing to overlook a crime and just replace what they lost/had stolen and not report it. AND you're limiting the crime scene to a gym, where people don't leave laptops and other more valuable things, so fix your argument. SOME reported incidents involve hispanic men? is it the severity or quantity of these incidents that counts? cause they aren't the only ones. And I'm assuming you work at dodge fitness center because of the 'we' pronoun, but have you thought that you're LOOKING for black people to be caught stealing? take off your blinders and maybe there won't be any theft from dodge

    • Anonymous

      Also, minority women are some of the worst off victims of these guys. The systematic assult/violence, whether sexual or of any other kind, needs to end if we want to call this area and parts of NYC safe.

  7. anon

    "... who said this was a homicide?"

    If you read the whole post, you would notice that it quite handily refers to the NYPost and NBC as Bwog's source of information. It's the two newspapers who do, in fact, call it a homicide.

  8. hm,

    looks like everyone's summers are pretty boring if there's nothing better to do than to anonymously provoke each other to engage in useless debates on bwog

    the nytimes put out a pretty good list of summer reads if you're looking for something better to do with your time

  9. racist bitches

    reason #85849583402 why i should've gone to another school

  10. Anonymous

    Well, maybe I should ask you this, then: what is your point, exactly? What point should we derive from your post about the fact that black and latino men are systematically assaulting you? What makes you "sick of this PC bullshit?" Because the way you write, it reads like you're asking us to say, "black and latino culture is immoral and breeds immorality, and hence we should be fearful and prejudiced against blacks and latinos - men in particular."

    If that's your point, then you've missed the much deeper point and the much deeper problem. If that isn't your point, then you should clarify yourself a bit.

  11. Anonymous

    Hats off to the woman who spoke her mind about her experience. Obviously, the first responder to your post is more concerned with what might sound "correct" rather than the facts. I say continue telling it like it is. The offenders black, white or Hispanic should be identified as such because it tells the truth, all of it, not one part of it. Anyone who argues otherwise is fooling themselves. I am sick of the privilege "do-goodies" trying to put a muzzle on the voices of experience. The victims post above was not malicious or racist, it merely stating the facts with a confident, fearless, articulate and truthful voice. I just hope the three killed were thugs and not innocent lives.!

    • Ugh

      "thugs and not innocent lives," eh? Disgusting. You sound precisely like those idiots who crow that Trayvon Martin couldn't have possibly been murdered because oh, holy shit, he had THC in his system and took some "gangsta" pics. Who the hell are you to decide whose life is worthwhile?

      On a similar note, I'm pretty annoyed at most people in this thread who are clutching their pearls and whining about what this means for the community, etc. THREE PEOPLE ARE DEAD, in case everyone forgot. Or do the dead only deserve sympathy when they're "one of us," so to speak?

      • Anonymous

        I will start by answering your question "Who the hell are you to decide whose life is worthwhile?" First of all, I was not making the judgement for you are anyone else. I was stating my own feelings, plain and simple. Secondly, get real...evil exist and everyone including you, me and our loved ones are better off without it in this world and that is why given the option I would feel better knowing that it was crime on crime and not crime on innocence. Do you see the logic? Perhaps if you were unfortunate enough to have the real life experience then you would have a different tone and hop off the pompous horse you seem to be riding on. FYI...I have lost three very close friends to execution style murders in an armed robbery (2 black victims, 1 white) even so 12 years later I have risked my own life jumping into the middle of an attack on an innocent person who would have no doubt been beaten to death had I not helped ( 1 white victim) and the good deeds and merciful good doing does not end there. So to answer your question, if you were having the f**k beaten out of you on the street, or any other crime committed against you, I am probably one of the only people who would reach out to help.

      • Anonymous

        "clutching their pearls" sounds like a racist comment. Explain your comparison to Trayvon's case. Why are you trying to throw the voices of those you oppose in Trayvon's case onto the statement from the previous poster. Eh? I bet your the first person to clutch her person, lose his balls (depending on your gender) or cower in a corner when danger is near. If the perpetrators were white, hetero, homo, jewish, christian whatever....the crime is the same. Don't loose yourself or get it twisted...Columbia might be a LIBERAL arts institution but it is only a luxury and a fog that we privileged students experience. The "academic rebuttals" posted here make me want to puke.

      • Anonymous

        The Times reports that police believe that the three men found dead were drug dealers who were shot execution-style for stealing from other drug dealers. All three victims had prior arrests on their records. The benefit of having three such criminals "off the street" is immeasurable. Consider the short term and long term damage or harm caused to the lives of innocent people that may have been affected by these three individuals had they remained alive spreading drugs and crimes around. So, perhaps these are things that you did not consider when you took someone's statement and turned it into a value judgement. I too am relieved to hear that it was three drug dealers rather than let's say 3 hardworking, honest and innocent people in the wrong place at the wrong time.

  12. Anon

    Young black males comprise approximately 3% of the general population yet commit the majority of violent felonies in the US

    Thus they are 17 times more dangerous and most of these crimes are committed against other blacks which makes the abhorant aberration a factor that is tenfold

    Thus a black is 200 times as likely to be victimized by young black males vs the general population

    Got Gangsta?

    • Anonymous

      you conveniently forgot to mention the frequency with which blacks are wrongfully convicted. that would surely turn your shitty logic on its head.

    • Anonymous

      did you seriously just attempt to calculate using math how much more dangerous all black people are compared to all white people? i can't even deal with this.

    • Benny

      Hey just a heads up, don't use (in)definite articles to refer to a select person of from a group of people. It's in really bad taste. Instead try "a black person" or "some black men". "Black men are..." doesn't sound as bad, but if you aren't specific enough , it's a surefire way to have your comment interpreted as a generalization. And we definitely don't want that.

      Cheers brah.

  13. The real crime here

    "All the windows are very tinted, possibly illegally..."

    Why isn't the SPECT reporting on THIS part of the story?!?!

  14. Anonymous

    Three people are dead and students talk about how quickly they receive the notice onto their phones or discuss experiences unrelated to this specific situation.
    Nobody questions how these three people were murdered?
    No, allow this as a forum to express issues of political correctness that privilege feels it absolutely needs to insert. I am not suggesting that one should not share problems of harassment as that is not a trivial issue. But the generalizations based upon race are unnecessary and crude; only displaying how a college education can still lead to ignorance.
    I am truly apologetic about your experiences with harassment.
    However, broadening street harassment to predominantly "low-life men of Latino and black descent" can also allow other generalizations to be made, akin to suggesting a correlation between Caucasians and date-rape based on stories I've heard.
    Regardless, to the unfortunate topic at hand, I hope those three young men rest in peace.

    • Anonymous

      "Nobody questions how these three people were murdered?"

      This is probably what went down based on $$ BMW, phoney plates, gang style murders, and running vehicle left parked with a body in driver's seat.

      Rival Harlem drug lords, encroaching drug deals on neighboring turf - two rivals are caught and killed elsewhere, put in back seat and passenger seat , and a loyal gang member is directed to drive to Columbia by the murder in the back seat.

      The car is pulls into a spot, the murder wants no witnesses, so he kills is own as soon as the car is put in Park with a small caliber pistol. The dark windows obscure the mess letting the murderer walk away.

      This has nothing to do with Columbia but it is the way of the world in the illegal drug industry. Unfortunately, keeping drugs illegal provides the price support needed to make it very lucrative for those looking to make a fast buck.

  15. Anonymous  

    Truth time: black and hispanic culture in this neighborhood includes the habitual harassment of women in public spaces. I'm brown and have done everything in my power to avoid men the age of my father from harassing me daily when I leave the house. I try to dress more covered up, not make eye contact, etc. Doesn't work. After four years, none have been white. That's not to say I haven't run into other situations of sexism and misogyny from white people, but this form of regular sexual intimidation is always from black or hispanic men. I think most men just don't understand how this constant harassment affects people.

  16. Anonymous  

    Dave Chapelle: ""Let's sprinkle some crack on him and get out of here"

  17. hmm

    I wonder what people of the "outside world" who might happen to wander onto this site will conclude about us Columbians. I'm not suggesting that everything posted here reflects badly on our community-- hardly so-- but there is so much that does.

  18. Anonymous  

    This post has been disgustingly racist.

  19. Anonymous

    Other news sources (Gothamist) are reporting the police as saying the shooter was sitting behind the driver, and that he (presumably he) left the car running when he got out and walked away.

    This sounds like organized crime.

  20. Anonymous

    "NYPD ran the car’s license plates and they doesn’t match the registration."

    you speek engrish?

  21. Anonymous

    you people suck. i should have just gone to state school.

  22. Anonymous

    TIL I learned that columbia students can be just as internally hateful of minorities as they are towards women. I honestly never expected to witness any form of racism or sexism when I came to college, which was probably naive. I've learned the hard lesson that I was sheltered in a liberal, accepting town while growing up. No matter what the crime statistics are, someone who argues them in a hateful or defensive way is showing resentment and fear towards an entire race as a whole (or multiple races), and I'm sorry but that is racism and it is sick to see that in a group of my peers. And please don't use the excuse "they're just trolls" because the idea that multiple people would think of such horrible and racist statements on the spot just for anonymous online attention is possibly just even more disturbing.

    • Anonymous

      oops, redundant typo! sorry about that

    • Anonymous

      I cannot believe what the woman above posted. Just cannot believe it.

      People are morally obligated to roll the dice with their own safety and well-being, lest they appear to be, or even chance becoming, racist. I cannot believe the gall of those who, when presented with statistic upon statistic, FBI crime report to academic study, choose to use them as reasons for action. They're just as bad, or worse, as those who observe the testament of their own experience.

      We need to problematize these so-called "reasons" for action. No one should ever have to suffer the indignity of being sort of avoided on the street at night because another fears for her safety and property. What is important about such situations isn't safety and property, it's having the correct social attitude that minimizes the discomfort others experience when confronted by one's own fear. If my experience as an academic has taught me anything, it's that.

      I go out of my way to flout the racist attitudes of those who consider themselves beholden to their own experience or the studies that universities (such as our own) generate. I enjoy the anti-racist thrill of walking through Harlem alone at night, dressed in high heels, a short skirt, and a plunging neckline on my curve-hugging top. It makes me feel good to know that I am suggesting to the local disadvantaged minorities of the neighborhood: "Hey. It's okay. I am not a racist." And guess what? I've loved everything that's happened on those nights. I'm a change agent.

      If more women would adopt my progressive racial attitudes, I promise, the reported incidents of so-called cat-calling, sexual harassment, sexual assault, etc. at the hands of minority men would decrease dramatically.

      And that, fellow students, is what being socially aware is all about.

  23. Anonymous

    To the woman who told her experience - thanks for your story, but I think you are confused. People are always pretty clear about identifying minorities. Whiteness, maleness, and heterosexuality are generally assumed - we live in a world where people have to clarify if they are talking about blacks, hispanics, women or homosexuals, even if its in a piece of fiction.

    ESPECIALLY if you're talking about a crime - the first question a police officer asks is if the perp was black. Nobody has ever talked about it being "PC" to call sexual offenders colorless.... I don't see how you could think that this was the reason why you are frustrated.



    Anyway, I'm not sure how we should take your comment - what is the proper response to "I'm sick of seeming politically correct and protecting minorities! All of my sexual harrassers have been black!" ?

    Maybe we should put all of the low-class minorities in one place, stop middle class whites from moving in there, and put sanctions on housing in those areas so its almost impossible to move. oh... wait.... we have those! Check.

    Maybe we could just move them out of the US - lets just stop immigration completely, and put all of the minorities in one camp and remove them one by one. Then you wouldn't be harrassed anymore, nothing would be stolen, everything would be fine!
    oh... sorry... that didn't work out well in Germany.

    Oh you know what, I know. Let's just arrest the shit out of black men and keep them in jail all of their lives - even if they're perfectly innocent - because you know, and I know, come on I mean we all know deep down that they are the ones committing all of these crimes!
    oh.... true.... we are doing that already! YAY NYPD! Please continue with your Stop and Frisks! You're doing a splendid job!



    Did you have another solution though, or was your plan just to point out that we live in a world where racism is institutionalized and, especially in a place where there is a very high concentration of poverty and oppression, is very hard to overcome on an individual level? Thank you for being so noble as to share your thoughts with us. It has been quite helpful. We hope we alleviated some of your pain.

  24. listen guys

    i don't know if you know this but a lot of you are saying racist things
    it's really not okay and i just wish you knew it wasn't okay

  25. Darling Jimenez

    I am so offended at the ways in which people make use of the internet to spill every kind of racial discrimination but of course attach no name to their racism and wouldn't dare in a million years say half the things they say in person. It is absolutely wrong to generalize all minority populations into one group, and it has hardly anything to do with race and everything to do with education level as a result of systematic oppression.

  26. Columbian

    Guys, beyond your post-modern discourses on raceand ethnicity, statistics exist. Both official and governemt-sponsored, and more specific like what a poster said above aout Dodge. They all point out to a severe overrepresentation of POCs in negative situations ofdeath, crime, violence against others, sexism. We obviously hadmany personal accounts in this post, but despite their arbitrary everything seems to point out to the same conclusion. This is of course not due to race or anything like that, but mostly the way these people are being brought up, and what the social norms truly are in impoverished communities. Being blind to this problem in order to adopt a politically correct position is eroding our social tissue.

    • Underclasses

      Minorities and people from a financially disadvantaged background share the same value system as mainstream society, and behaviorally targeted attempts to "reform" these communities have proven to be rather ineffective.

  27. Amazed

    Amazing how many hateful and racist comments towards blacks were generated here as a result of three HISPANIC men being killed.

  28. Anonymous

    It is a shame they parked the car near Columbia to drag our name threw the mud. They could have easily parked somewhere else.

  29. Anonymous

    I couldn't finish reading these posts because of how repulsive they are. If all of you (including the alumna) are or were Columbia students, I cannot begin to understand why you would attend the Ivy League school with the biggest minority population. You all seem to have such a big problem with being called racist when generalizing about men about particular races, not to mention the atrocity of calling our women "disadvantaged". The definition of the word racist is: "a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another". Why you don't realize that calling latina and black women "disadvantaged" and that referring to all latino and black men as criminals is considering us a part of an inferior race, is beyond me.

    Race is nothing but the color of your skin and the background you come from. Race should not be used to generalize about criminals, no matter what the racial tendencies are for criminals in NY. I am a latino and I sit in class with you. If anything, I will be the one watching out for your stuff and not taking it. There have been times when I have been walking down a dark street, heading back to my room, and when I saw that a woman was walking by herself I would WAIT from the corner and see to it that she goes into her building safely.

    So stop generalizing, we sit in class with you and contribute to this community on levels that are ever growing.

    • Nelson Castaño

      -Nelson

      In case you want to discuss any further. Name didn't go through before, sorry.

    • Anonymous

      what makes you think that I even want to go to school with affirmative action students? the majority dont deserve to be here. not saying all minorities arent smart, but stats speak for themselves. I didnt consciously choose Columbia - despite my 2400, I came hear because it was the best I could do.

      • ...and yet...

        despite your 2400 SAT score that no one gives a crap about, you came "hear".

        Additionally, congratulations for being one of the most repulsive commenters on this thread. An achievement, really.

      • hmm

        I feel sorry for you, having to spend tens of thousands of dollars per semester to attend a school that you selected "unconsciously."

  30. Anonymous

    man, i wish school was in session so that tina fey and brian meadows could hold an assembly and teach us how to get along, mean girls style.

    that seems like the only logical ending to this saga of stupidity.

  31. Lol

    Bwog commenters: misogynist, racist, but surprisingly tolerant to the gay community!

    • Anonymous

      I love gays. I dont like minorities because they don't deserve the same rewards I have *earned*. Gays have no affirmative action. they dont ask for special privileges and despite persecution, they succeed.

      misogyny is a mixed bag for me. most women are cool tho. except for pretty ones who use their sexuality to get ahead / dont have any real value besides their looks.

  32. Good Job Columbia

    Nice to see years of the Core, full of white Western philosophical theories, has opened the minds of your students and made them more well-rounded people. One only has to read the racist and classist comments on here to see that Columbia students actually know about the world and .... Harlem! *gasp* Apparently, a lot of ignorant people believe only low-class minorities are victims of violent crime. PLEASE, I sincerely beg you fools, PLEASE, WATCH THE LOCAL NEWS. You will learn a lot.

    • Anonymous

      Please do not generalize your thoughts to an entire community.
      Please do not attack the people, but challenge the thoughts.

      Literature Humanities transformed me, made me a better person. That is all I have to say about your thoughts.

  33. Prizefight

    Misogyny, head to head with racism, in Bwog comments.

  34. My god  

    I never understand the folks who rail against typecasting groups of people (all well and good) and then talk about THE WHITES and what the THE WHITES have been up to historically, and what THE WHITES are planning for the future, and how THE WHITES poison the campus community.

    There is no "Protocols of the Elders of Whiteness." Read your own anti-generalization agitprop: when you paint with a broad brush, you *sound* like a fucking harpy (which is to give you the benefit of the doubt as to your true nature).

  35. Glad to see

    that we live in a post-racial society. What a joke. I'm ashamed that I have to share the title of "Columbia University student" with these bigots.

  36. anon

    As an outsider looing in on the Columbia "community" I am disgusted. As a minority woman I feel direspected. As a resident of Harlem I am disappointed at the lack of concern for anything but yourselves (for those of you making generalizations without acknowledging wrongful convictions, systematic racism etc) Maybe if you tried to understand and take a stand against these issues (gentrification by CU being one of the biggest in this area) maybe you'd see thigns differently

    • anon

      Cheers to the brave girl who spoke the truth. In recent years, we have had Columbia students viciously raped and killed by neighboring blacks.

      Ignoring the problem is ignorance and as with the battle against Aids, there will be no progress until we stop ignoring the problem

      • ugh

        "In recent years, we have had Columbia students viciously raped and killed by neighboring blacks."

        Oh sure, let's blame the Scary Black Men for all the crime in Morningside Heights. How fucking racist and classist and sexist. Come on, let's be real. Columbia students steal from each other. Columbia students (and TAs and profs) harass, rape, stalk and assault each other. I'm willing to be that the majority of all the crime in our neighborhood happens right on our campus and is committed by US, the young, privileged, elite students, who assume that no one will hold us accountable for our actions. Which is fucking bullshit. Let's talk about that for a change.

    • OK

      To be fair, if you're truly an outsider, don't judge the Columbia community based on idiotic, anonymous comments on the Internet. Yes, there are a lot of disgusting comments on this post. But there are many, many more reasonable and respectful people at Columbia than ignorant, cruel ones.

      The students aren't the ones gentrifying Harlem. And many of us DO take a stand against these issues. So please don't make sweeping statements about how we're all selfish and disrespectful at Columbia.

  37. Anonymous

    you make me feel ashamed. how are there people who still think like you do in our generation? What have you chosen to make of your education? I'll tell you it was for sure a HUGE waste of money. If you had a backbone and truly could stand up for what you're saying you wouldn't have left a racist anonymous post like a little bitch.

    • Anonymous

      My sincerest apologies for mentioning "racist" statistics but before you send me to the back of the guilt bus, here are a few more data points:

      -Forty-five percent of black crime is against whites but 53% is against blacks, and Hispanic.

      -In the United States in 2005, 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by black men, while less than ten black females were sexually assaulted or raped by a white man. This is especially frightening given that black males comprise only 5% of the population.


      -Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

      -Blacks are three times more likely to use a hand gun, and twice more likely to use a knife.

      -Hispanics commit three times more violent crimes than whites.

      -Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites then vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery.

      • Anon

        I don't understand if you're quoting statistics to make the argument that this behavior is inherent in minorities or that external factors influence crime rates amongst different racial and ethnic groups. What would categorize as the "racist" insinuation??

      • Nelson Castaño

        Thank you for providing these statistics. I would just ask that you also please provide your source for these stats.

        Also, let's look at the history of minorities and whites in the United States as it relates to crime and hatred towards each other. I'm not talking about history 200 years ago, although that is also relevant, but history in the United States 40-50 years ago when blacks and other minorities were, as they are today, found in isolated, clustered neighborhoods with poor resources. In 1971 the U.S. claimed a "War on Drugs", drugs that did not even exist in these neighborhoods until they were introduced by people from other neighborhoods and governmental agencies. Give a people who have trouble finding a job, given the racism that existed even more prevalently back then (although arguable looking through this thread), a way to make money to feed their families and they will do it. What did this do? Unfortunately, it developed a stereotype and a cycle that is only fueled further by your comments, hiding behind a cloud of anonymity.
        For those who are quick to jump the gun on shouting "You always think it's a conspiracy!", I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Think about how many times you have committed a crime and gotten away with it and how many times you see someone on the news or see a man or woman of color getting arrested or sentenced to death for a crime you might have committed at one point or another. Ie: Troy Davis sentenced to death - no evidence. Zimmerman released and only called back because he lied about having enough money, not because he killed (proven and admitted) Treyvon Martin.

        PS. All this information you can find in the book The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander, along with the evidence that she used to support the aforementioned statements.

      • Diana Valverde-Paniagua

        I'm sorry, but I would urge you to do more research on a subject before posting data surrounding it. Your data not only decontextualizes plea bargains and coercement, as Dezmond Goff pointed out, it also strokes tension between races, fueling "tough against crime" campaigns that blindly target minorities, ultimately increasing the conviction rates of these minorities. But this "self-fulfilling prophesy" effect is really just another point to a long list of confounding variables in studies like those - you should look them up. I do not have a problem with reporting statistics, I just think it's a matter of careful interpretation of the data. I understand utilizing these sources for micro-level social justice organizations that work closely with their communities, but I do not understand why you think posting them anonymously, in an already hateful/racist thread, is productive - what are you attempting to do? How, exactly, do you expect people to react to your statements? Do you expect them to start organizing fundraisers and Teaching for America in response?


        A corollary to that is that this type of mindset permits crimes against minorities to persist with impunity: as minorities are typically deemed more "inherently" (statistically) violent, they are naturally viewed as less "innocent" in the crimes that people carry out against them (see: Trayvon Martin, CeCe McDonald, etc.). Just so you know, the most prevalent response to your statistics - to racialize assumptions of criminality - continues to systematically oppress minorities, exacerbating the original issue.

        But in general, making sweeping statements about /people/ is dangerous, especially when you're misapplying statistical inferences to lend your statements some objective value of truth. That is because people are not items - they are not manufactured toys on conveyor belts - they have the capacity to /respond/ to and /internalize/ things said about them (see: stereotype threat, pygmalion effect, etc.). Your added comment, "back of the guilt bus," was also just tasteless.


        As far as the data you provided goes, by simply googling one of your statements, I found pages of rebuttals. Here is one:

        http://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/04/03/black-rape-statistics/

        You can do the others.

      • Anonymous

        BWOG are you seriously publishing these kinds of comments?

        COME ON (gob-style)

      • Anonymous

        Don't apologize to the little bitch! You have the right to say how you feel. Anyone with any experience of growing up or living in a rough environment" will tell you it is no fun and that all of these young little white kids jumping to the defense of thieves are delusional. Ask any "hardworking, decent and honest" person from crime ridden neighborhoods what they would like to see done with the criminals who prowl like savage beast in their streets and what they say is far worst than what you hear from what the bloggers call the "racist." Young white kids trying to act correct are stuck in some distant lala land between the two issues, they are neither perpetrators of the crime or victims. So as they sit in that vast area of nothingness at such a distance from both ends, they really know nothing about what they "see" Trust me if they were close enough to the fight, they would lose the "correctness" real quick or be killed by the criminals they defend.

  38. bwog

    IT'S ALLIIVEEEVVEEEEEE

  39. Hey guys

    I'm sure at least a few, if not many of you have watched Prison Break. While completely fictional. the ideas are similar. After getting out of prison, to get back on their feet, many ex-convicts are willing to engage in extremely risky behavior, no? So the 'statistic' that many black men commit violent crimes at a rate much higher than those of other races should be adjusted for those who have previously served time. Who knows the statistics of the NYPD stop-and-frisk policy and their number of arrests? 87% of those stopped were black/latino. and although 90% were not arrested, that is still a lot of us getting thrown in jail for minimal drug possession. amounts that non-ethnic people have on them as well, but were not stopped. so this is all a perpetuating system.

  40. Lucy Suarez

    I feel a little embarrassed by these comments. It's hard to believe I picked this school a few years ago because of how excited I was to go to a university with such a diverse student body. I grew up in a predominantly white neighborhood, and was so happy I had the chance to meet people from all over the world at Columbia and in New York City in general. I am a strong believer in that meeting people from different backgrounds is good and HEALTHY for you. I have to say it sucks to see people make such fucked up comments, and to be honest, the racism isn't just directed towards us minorities, but there seems to be a bit of racism towards whites too...I guess what consoles me is the fact that I know this isn't representative of Columbia. I have come across far less ignorance on campus than on this website...maybe it's because of the whole anonymous thing, but our school is better than this. I'm GLAD I didn't go to my state school, I just hope we can get our shit together. Sensitivity does matter. I promise. I'm a hispanic woman, and I'm not going to sit here and be told my family is "more likely" to attack or creep on white people. We have morals, too. I saw the statistics posted here, and yes it's unfortunate that brown people commit crimes (as do other colors, by the way..), but what the fuck does that have to do with the crime itself? The reason it's such a tragedy is because every other brown person is stupidly assumed to be equally as capable of repeating the offense. I can tell you now that my gentleman of a brother is not about to grab anybody's crotch or yell disgusting comments at white women, or women of any color, that he sees. Don't you dare assume he would. Pigment does not equate to behavior.

    Regarding the crime this post is about, I sincerely hope these three men rest in peace and wish their families the best during such a difficult time.

    Lucy Suarez

    • Anonymous

      "I saw the statistics posted here, and yes it’s unfortunate that brown people commit crimes ..., but what the fuck does that have to do with the crime itself?"

      Your comment does not indicate that you understand the statistics.

      Here is the problem.

      Assume you have 100 people but only 3 of them have green hair and that after a year, the other 97 people have experienced 5 violent crimes.

      Of these 5 violent crimes, 2 have been committed by 2 of the green hairs.

      The logical conclusion is that green hairs are only 3% of the population but they did almost half of the crimes. That makes them 30 times more likely to commit crime.

      Now, wouldnt you want to discuss and correct that problem amongst the green hairs, especially if most of the victims were minorities?

      • Anonymous

        I guess what I'm trying to say here is that if I have "green hair" and I am the only "green haired" person who hasn't done anything wrong, I don't want to be treated as if I am going to. Statistics certainly make an impression (not to mention you also have to look at the percentage of minorities in the city you're studying, and the reliability of the numbers, etc.) but you can't treat entire groups of people based on probability. It's not right.

        Lucy

        • Anonymous

          But as the good green hair remember that you are the victim of most of the green crime.
          Why are minorities waiting on whites to lead this discussion when it is minorities that suffer the most?

          Oh, that's right

          It's more important that this be a white guilt thing than making black neighborhoods safe

  41. fact patrol

    If you're going to make a statement like "In recent years, we have had Columbia students viciously raped and killed by neighboring blacks," which is pretty serious stuff, then it should probably be true. Sexual harassment, maybe, but I challenge you to point to a case of a Columbia student being killed or even raped by a "neighboring black."

    But, despite the fact that you are making a rather sensationalist argument with absolutely no basis in fact, I applaud you for having the confidence to speak truth to power. Ignoring the "black problem" is of course entirely akin to ignoring the AIDS epidemic in every possible way, and I for one feel that our community will not be safe until we find a final solution to the problem of blacks living in our neighboring communities

    • Anonymous

      fact patrol,

      I dont know where you are coming from but I do remember both these crimes.
      Ming-Hui Yu came out of the library and tried to fight off a gang of black muggers who chased him onto Broadway where he was killed by a car.

      The rape was worse than that. The black gang member was Robert Williams and he held a Columbia Journalism student captive in her own apartment for a whole day. He repeatedly raped her and tried to blind her with bleach. He also tortured her with a knife, cutting at her eyelids, etc.

      Thanks to the strong campus security presence. They are the only reason these violent crimes are limited to once every couple years.

  42. lolwut?

    how did this become a race issue? some po folks got shot. sad, but not uncommon.

  43. Anonymous

    It's funny how everyone is concerned about racial issues and putting the blame game on each other instead of acknowledging that a horrible crime happened around our campus. If your family member was shot no matter what race he or she may be I bet the last thing on your mind would be a racial issue or the last thing you would want people commenting about is race when three lives were taken away. Columbia is supposed to comprised of educated people however, you have proved me wrong because your comments are definitely ignorant.

  44. to all the people

    whining about racism here, get the hell over it. you're just being annoying and self-centered. there is nothing more selfish than making this about you and how the whole world is against people who aren't white. the world isn't against you, its against these three guys who got shot in the friggin head. quit complaining for once and just say "awww shit, it sucks that this happened"

    • Anonymous

      I agree that this isn't the appropriate time or place to discuss the issues - what happened is a tragedy and people should be focused on that rather than color. But the fact is that the discussion turned to race, and people have the right to reply to messed up, offensive comments. If you find the comments whiny or annoying, don't continue scrolling down and reading. Finally, I don't agree with you mocking people who are highlighting the disadvantages of being a minority. Disappointing.

  45. Shaynah

    This whole thread, including the story that pursuaded people to post a comment, is just so damn sad. Seats need to be taken....quickly.

  46. Aman Eyasu

    First, and foremost, condolences to the families of the deceased. It's a shame that this post has come to where it now is. I don't want to speak to most of the hateful comments, but more so to those who left them. I applaud you for voicing your opinions so freely, no matter how hateful they are. However, please don't claim a stance of impartiality when saying your comments are objective and not steered by racism. If you really didn't think you were being racist, and, if you care as little as you do for the sentiments of people of color as these posts imply, there would be no need for anonymity. Nobody wants to publicly assume that accountability for such expression of self. I wonder why? Why would it matter being called a racist, if you're not? It's because you are.
    I would say I'm disappointed at my University, but to do that would be to make the same mistake many of the commenters have already made. The same way I'd like to not be generalized, it is not fair to say that these anonymous commenters are indicative of the larger community. However, there is now a sense of fear instilled in me that will be too difficult to cancel. The same way a white woman will switch the arm her bag rests on once she crosses paths with me, I will have to wonder who the undercover racist is around me. While petty crimes can come to light with relative ease and can be corrected by the law in even with even more ease, I have to carry myself fearing the invisible hate that I'll probably never explicitly detect. To my peers, I ask that you think through that perspective. The same way you hate living in fear of people of color, I hate living in fear of racism, especially on my own campus.

    • Anonymous

      ...I don’t want ...I applaud...I would say... I’m disappointed ...I’d like to not be generalized...a sense of fear instilled in me ...once she crosses paths with me... I will have to wonder...the undercover racist is around me... I have to carry myself ...hate that I’ll probably never explicitly detect. ..my peers..I ask that you think ...I hate living in fear of racism, especially on my own campus.

      We are discussing a gangland slaying of three, rape, sexual assault and killing of Columbia students in Harlem and the retort is "I, me, mine, and you have to feel guilty".

      That will remedy things nicely.

  47. alum

    My heart goes out to the families of the victims. I hope that whoever is responsible for this heinous crime is found and convicted. THAT IS ALL.

  48. Aman Eyasu

    To the person who (anonymously) commented back to me, I never intended to make this about me and the community of color in general, but there would be no need to express myself as such through this medium if I was not feeling attacked through the same medium. What has been said is tasteless. This article is about three deaths. Do not jump the gun and conclude gangland killings until you know that is a fact. That alone shows your falsely presumptuous nature that is a root issue. This article was about three dead men. What privileges those who told their horror stories of assault and violence any more than me telling the one I have lived everyday for years? Your proposed remedy underestimates the heinousness of what is going on on this post.

  49. ...

    and to think... when they carried those coffees from starbucks into butler they probably thought they were getting away with it when the guard only gave them a raised eyebrow. nobody gets away with such heinous crimes.... nobody.

  50. Anonymous  

    I'm really sick of this comment culture which makes it possible for any student (even me -- I'm sorry to say I'm not as brave as any of the students who put forth their real names) to state their views anonymously. There's no accountability for anything whatsoever. Anyone can spew forth whatever hateful, vitrolic thing they have to say without thinking about it. I'm no stranger to racism on the internet, but it truly disturbs me that this is coming from people I live and attend classes with. As a person of color, it saddens me and makes me feel just plain awkward to be here -- if I sit next to a white girl in a lecture class, will she expect me to steal her purse? If my dad comes to visit, will people automatically label him as a thief or someone to avoid?

    I would kill to hear some of these people express these views with actual people of color present. Something tells me that it wouldn't be so easy; that they'd be more prone to weigh the emotional impact of their words. I'm not blaming bwog for anything, you guys are great; but what is the point of a comment thread like this? None of this conversation is constructive, and it is truly horrible to read. I love this place, but this just seems like an opportunity for a few people to embarrass our school.

  51. Anonymous

    how is this racist? because it gives cold facts? because it doesn't sympathize? the claim that this is racist is completely ridiculous.

  52. Ethan Kogan

    I’m pleased. I spent today, like most days, combing over every discussion board and forum on the KKK’s new webpage (kkk.bz – check it out!) for some of that classic retro-American white supremacist pride speech that really just…grinds my gears. It took reading my insightful fellow Columbian’s comments here to really give me that nice pick-me-up.

    It’s clear that currently, a social disturbance threatens the normally polite and happy community of Morningside Heights. An unsolved (and therefore temporarily meaningless and uninterpretable) event of violence has opened up a gaping hole in our precious social fabric where meaning is totally absent. We know very few facts about this case. So, in order to explain away this non-explanation, this violence-done, we’ve seized upon something which, in the American imaginary, is positively loaded with meaning: race. Then, stale but powerful lines, arguments, and general mythologies pour into the opened social chasm and sew it shut, calming us; a resolution for which, had we exhibited even a little strength, we could have waited just a few more days for real facts to arrive.

    Thus, a genuinely tragic event—the loss of three human lives in our proximity—was recognized as an appropriate platform for a self-righteous condemnation of some fabricated culture of poverty or another fabricated culture of minority communities of color (the actual livelihoods of which communities our fiery Anonymous knows, I think I’m not too quick to assume, embarrassingly little about). This pays horrifying—really, horrifying—tribute to the deeply racist and ever-lurking potentials and reflexes of contemporary whiteness, and to an enormous cowardice of this whiteness; but so as not to forget, this abstract whiteness takes particular, concrete form here, in this situation. It is glaringly present in the cowardice, manifest in this comment thread, of a supposedly “liberal” campus and a supposedly “liberal” Morningside Heights “community.” My heart and thanks go out to Anonymous for such a tribute. Thanks, Anonymous!

    Our dear Anonymous has reminded us that she is just so “sick of all this PC bullshit.” Speak, Anonymous! I’m on board; indeed, Anonymous’s mini-manifesto, her call to—is it action? is it just dumb hatred?—her call to something, and the sometimes subtle, sometimes shockingly explicit racism that it legitimized in its wake, convinces me, like Anonymous, to reject all moderate, timid agendas motivated by fear. Martin Luther King Jr., a large poster of whom Anonymous probably hung with humiliating pride in her old dorm room reading, “I Have A Dream!”—Martin Luther King Jr. proclaimed that “the question is not whether we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists we will be. Will we be extremists for hate or for love? Will we be extremists for the preservation of injustice or for the extension of justice?” Anonymous calls us righteously to bring the facts (that the Latinos and the blacks are to blame! For what? For this crime? No, just…to blame! Isn’t this precisely what her racist non-sequitur implied, despite her easily seen-through pretentions to…well, to actually being a response to the initial Bwog story?) and sweep aside all timid motivations of civility and sensitivity.

    Building on her insights and her particular penchant for mobilizing extremists with similarly revolutionary ideas, I’d like to call anyone reading this—and I assume few people still are—to please post serious and extreme refutations of the fucking incredible racism pervading this thread, and to gear comments toward the real tragedy, not some fabricated affluent fears used pathetically to smear entire communities. I hate posting shit like this, and it was only due to the enormous outpouring of white-supremacist support for Anonymous’s anonymous bullshit that I’m doing so. But I can’t let this whole thread continue to fester with the reactionary comments of Manhattan’s true low-class population.

    • Anonymous

      i'm assuming you're white because your prose is masterful. I only dislike minorities because of affirmative action. to be honest, that's really it. I just hate unfairness.

      • Ethan Kogan

        I wholeheartedly reject your praise. I'm assuming you're a racist from the headlong dive into bigotry that was your thoughtless compliment. Get that shit the fuck outta here.

  53. For the love of Gotham...

    Somebody please put up the bat signal.

  54. Chris Silverberg

    Soooo... a couple thoughts:

    1) I'd really like to see these statistics on crime adjusted for income. That is, at equal income levels, how much more likely are blacks or latinos to commit crimes that whites? I maintain that differences caused by income and education are more prevalent in our society than race qua race; of course, the historical treatment of people of certain races has an impact on income and education. And race qua race is still an issue, of course.

    2) One of the big problems here is blaming a culture without looking into the factors that produced said culture. Given the treatment of African-Americans over the past 300-or-so years, I think that the strides black culture have made are remarkable. Is black culture more violent than white culture? Probably, insofar as black males often grow up without fathers, and that is a recipe for increased sexism and violence in those communities. However, we should be celebrating those who have overcome the centuries of prejudice, and helping, not condemning and blaming, those who have not. This does not except the people who likely murdered these individuals from moral culpability, but it does suggest something about how one might react to the black culture that seems to lead to violence or sexism with a balanced and charitable understanding of what produced that culture.

    3) The much larger underlying problem is racial essentialism. Lurking behind a lot of racist statements on bwog is not merely blaming a transient cultural moment among African-Americans that leads to greater violence than among whites. It is the notion that "those black people" are incurably predisposed to violence. It is the assumption that blacks are lower-class, more violent, less intelligent, and more harmful to society than whites, an assumption which may lurk in your subconscious, encouraging prejudiced statements, even if your conscious mind has no such idea.

    And even if your own conscience is clear of such prejudice, you must understand that most black students here have parents who were alive when that prejudice was the prevailing attitude in the nation, and grandparents who lived a large chunk of their adult lives during that time. So we are constantly on guard against such prejudice, because while it may not be real to you, it is real to us. So maybe you'll think twice before making statements that seem to betray a mind that assumes that black people are a) the Other, and b) inherently inferior.

    Seriously, ask yourself if you really understand that while there may be statistical differences between different races, these are the result of history, culture, and individual action. There is nothing inherently different between a white person and a brown person except pigment. Not even from a genetic POV; from a biological standpoint, race is an outmoded and discarded concept (despite the fact that it remains a pragmatic reality due to, again, history and culture).

    4) Finally, we're really all missing the point here (myself included), by having a debate about race because we're stuck at our boring internships with no one to argue with. The point is that three people lost their lives, and that our condolences and prayers should go to those people and their families. Debates over race absolutely have their place, but this is not it. As others have said, this is a tragedy, and our focus should be on that.

    • anom

      Chris, you are a voice of reason and intellect. I hope there are more students like you at Columbia.

    • Samuel Sainthil

      Oh my god Chris I love you for dropping so much truth. As angry as some of these comments make me, it's encouraging that there are people like you, Lucy, and Darling to represent what I believe is the vast majority of students at Columbia. Students who think before they post and who post without hiding behind a wall of anonymity. To those who posted the hurtful and racist comments (don't kid yourselves, those comments are indeed racist), I hope your view of POCs changes before long, and I hope you actually take the time to get to know some of us before making baseless assumptions on our nature.

  55. CC '14

    Really, people? Fuck this shit.

  56. Anonymous

    I foremost strongly disagree with people who always say things along the lines of "OMG you're a racist because you seem to anything directly targeted toward a certain race."

    1) Avoiding that race may be the factor behind certain things is not solving the problem. We (or I'm assuming most of us who are commenting) are Columbia students/alumni and mature adults who should be able to, by this point, discuss racial issues without getting sensitive, calling each other racist, and being a little bitch and saying things like "oh guys, stop talking about race, you're making me feel uncomfortable."

    2) If I post a link to a objective comprehensive study done by say, idk, Cato or Brookings Institute breaking down violence or crime by race and pointing to the fact that maybe people of African American or Latino descent seem to have higher crime rates, that *DOES NOT* mean that I"m a racist. Similarly, just because girl and others tell stories and saying that, in their personal experience, their attackers were predominantly African American or Latino, *DOES NOT* mean that they're racist, and people who say "oh well you shouldn't have made it sound like it was mostly African American or Latino," YOU'RE A DUMBASS. It's her experience, what do you want her to do, change the African American or Latino to Asian?

    3) As an addendum to my first point, instead of turning your eyes away from facts and arguing objective studies are racist or some shit, be a scholar and analyze. There are in fact studies that indicate descendants of African American and Latinos have the highest crime rate; there I just admitted that does that show I"m a racist? *FUCK NO* I, and many others who talk about race in this commentary, realize that ITS A CASE BY CASE. In other words, just because I have read and agree with the above study *DOES NOT* mean that I generalize. I know that not all African Americans are bad, and I sure as hell won't judge one until I have gotten to know him/her. I do not hold any kind of bias against races. So for fuckers out there whining about taking race into account, STOP BEING A LITTLE OVERSENSITIVE BITCH.

    4) ^ Instead, analyze WHY that might be the case. I'm sure someone has already mentioned this before, but traditionally African AMericans and Latinos have been minorities thrusted into victious cycles of poverty (one cause is definitely the aftermath of slavery in American for African Americans), which in turn breeds violence (less schooling, peers and others around act same way, underpriviledged, survival needs, etc.). Only when you have hit the root of the problem can we actually begin to solve - more charity, more efforts to help the underpriviledged, etc.

    5) There are of course people who are rich and other ethnicities who commit these crimes too (had to iterate this obvious point for sensitive bitches still wanting to call me or others racist). Crime is universal, but we can start curbing it when we see patterns, such as its connection to poverty.

    6) There were multiple studies done that showed that most people (like 90% +) are subconciously "prejudiced" (I'm not going to use the word racist here because it's too strong). So yes, even you bitches out there who are like "OMG everyone is equal guys stop talking about races!" are prejudiced, mostly breed by life experiences (for example, if a Latino man robbed you when you were like 4 years old, that's most likely to imprint and later you may subconsciously be prejudiced against Latinos without even consciously realizing it). You can't change other people's prejudiced by being a little bitch on discussion forums like this and preventing talk of race altogether; you don't solve a problem by avoiding it. What you can do is getting to the root of the problem, analyze the problem, and being positive/not racist (THAT DOES NOT MEAN BEING A LITTLE BITCH and tellign everyone to stop talking about race) but objective yourself. Okay end rant idk if any of what i wrote made sense.

  57. Anonymous

    Jesus loves you....dat's all dat matters olawdy

  58. Bunge Okeyo BC'13

    It seems to me that Barnard should add a 10th way of knowing and the Core should require a real ethnic studies course (global core doesn't count) and the syllabus should be 50%American History/Ethnic Studies and 50% Humility. I can't even believe I go to school with such hateful people.

    For those of you saying it is self centered to bring race into this: race is in everything (that's why anonymous posting on bwog or youtube or wherever turns into a racist forum regardless of the content of the video or article etc.

    To the people who like to remind PoC that they are obviously privileged because the attend this institution. Yes, you are very right. But when a black or brown male Columbia student is walking down the street, they are just as likely to be stopped and frisked. Students of color are likely to be perceived as undeserving of their equally deserved acceptance. There are different types of privilege--being able-bodied, having the social capital our education has afforded us, and rtain accents are privileged over others etc. But the thing about white privilege is in many ways it supersedes class. If two Columbia grads with identical jobs named Kevin Smith try and lease an apartment, they will undoubtedly have very different experiences.

    For those of you citing meaningless statistics, why don't you ponder the fact that our peers have the means to access more weed than the supposed "criminals" out there and you don't see the police arresting half the student body at any given college on any given night. so spare the statistics

    For those of you who feel white people can't talk about race without being called racist, I sympathize. American's aren't taught how to speak about/deal with race (precisely why my course suggestion should happen), painters don't magically learn how to paint, they practice. Most likely, if you are white and aren't interested in learning about racism or how to talk about race, you may never have really had to deal with race (as it pertains to your own identity, life experience, or the identity of your peers who, prior to college, were most likely overwhelmingly white). Because this is the case for most white people in America 70% of white children go to schools that are 90% or more white students, you might just unintentionally say racist things when you try and discuss race or you might have rather racist ideas, just because you don't know any better. It's a skill worth nurturing, so I urge you to have a discussion with one of the brown or black people you like/know/aren't afraid of and I'm pretty sure they'd be willing to point you in the right direction gently if you're willing to be humble enough to not get super defensive and disengage.

    To the anon who posted that not all minorities are criminals because Asians are awesome(paraphrased), I pity your shallow analysis. So much of how a racial group is perceived depends on class. If you look more closely at Asian Americans you will see that your statement is pretty broad and really dumb. Not all Asians have equal social capital, some nationalities are pretty likely to live in poverty and participate in the activities that despair fosters.

    To the alum, three people died, the race of the perpetrator or victims definitely wasn't announce when you decided to assume the race of those involved and "shame on their families?" really!? In regards to your rant about street harassment, go to Italy or Spain and the hissing and cat calls will be on par to what we all deal with here if not worse (it is unlikely that someone will touch your butt here in the US but that's pretty common in some cities in Europe). I am not condoning street harassment in anyway, but letting you know that that disrespectful behavior isn't trademarked by black and brown people. It is often a regional thing, where I come from street harassment is virtually nonexistent. Also, I am not trying to minimize the trauma you've been through, but you should be aware that it isn't an excuse to be racist.

    When a PoC or more aware white person calls you racist, they are not pushing you to avoid the subject of race. They are pointing out that a particular statement is racist and perhaps if you're interested in being a part of the solution, you should check yourself and look at a situation more critically. If you feel like that has been your experience, then try and see why people often think your posts are racist? (helpful hint: your posts are probs racist and note i am not calling you racist, just your ideas -- your politics -- are racist)

    To the affirmative action folks: Columbia was all white and all male for most of its history and that was an affirmative action. White men and women are each less than 25% of America's population and definitely more than 25% of our student body so it would be easier for white students to get in if everyone had an equal opportunity to the education we all received. Sadly that isn't the case, and that brings us to why affirmative action exists.

    To incoming first year students: take an ethnic studies class, make friends with people from every economic and ethnic background. as horrific as your future peers seem to be, the diversity (whether racial, regional, or breath of interests) at CU can teach you as much as the courses you take if you allow it.
    I can't believe you'd chose to come here after the incredibly pitiful example we have shown you this semester in particular, but maybe the class of 2016 and following can learn to be less racist/misogynistic than the class of 2012 - 2015 and we can start moving the in the right direction.

    To those unable to take an ethnic studies class but are interested in actually learning about this country from a perspective other than the one deemed supreme read:
    Omi and Winant (good place to start)
    Audre Lorde
    Patricia Williams
    Michelle Alexander

    (note: American history is an ethnic study, its just the study of American history through the lens and actions of people of European descent- white privilege allows their various ethnicities to be irrelevant in their lives and therefore it is often invisible in their day to day lives)

    To all those naive enough to think anything about involving American society is post racial: read Bwog and eat your words.

    • Anonymous

      Bunge,

      Calm the heck down -.-. I agree with some of your points, but you need to take a step back and foremonstly realize that this is an open thread; it's kind of hypocritical for you to advocate racial learning/discussion if you seem to be mad at people who don't share your viewpoint.

      1) lol white men and women are DEFINITELY each more than 25% of America's population

      2) (paraphrased) "Class of 2016, I can't believe you chose to Columbia after this poor example we've shown esp this semester"

      - it's my turn to say "REALLY?" really? your sense of school pride are all washed away because of what people recounted as their personal experience? because others don't share the same viewpoint as you? how can you call other people "shallow" when you yourself seem that way? If you don't like Columbia, posting statements like that online is not the way to go.

      3) ^ instead of "complaining," why don't you try to get those classes pushed through if you feel like it would help so much? I'm not sure what you meant by a core with 50% Humility, but if you're so passionate about it, then do something about it instead of lamenting "I can't believe I go to school with such hateful people."

      4)Idk what part of the personal experience the girl posted you don't understand. She was merely saying that, in her experience, most of the people that sexually assaulted her were African American or Latino. NOWHERE DOES SHE SAY THAT "Sexual Harrassment is trademarked to African Americans or Latinos" like you accused her of. This is personal experience, and even if she is slightly racist because of personal accounts, you can't change someone's mind by getting mad over the internet. Prejudices are bound to form, in everyone, consciously and subconsciously. Prejudices are build by experience, so unless you can travel back in time and prevent the African Americans and Latinos who assaulted her from doing so, you're not being very productive by getting mad over the internet.

      Seriously, people those days -.-

      • Bunge

        I'd address you by your name, but alas.

        I am not mad at the alum, nor any of the ignorant people who post here. My response are never to convince the anonymous troll that they should change their minds. I respond so that the few people who gave particularly racist post can see whatever issue in a different light. I think its safe to assume that people who post super racist things aren't going to
        change anytime soon, it's best to aim to change lukewarm-racists.

        o also don't think I was complaining other than " i can't believe i go to school with such hateful people" nothing else seems to be a complaint.
        also, i don't know what about my post led you to think i wasn't calm -- it is rather long, but that's just because there are plenty of racist posts to discredit.

        50% Humility has to do with all the bwog posts that deal with affirmative action.students For those people who feel their well deserved spots are stolen from them by minorities. Instead of realizing all the pieces that had to fit together for each us to be here and the we as individuals have much less to do with our success than the idea of the American dream and American individualism lead us to believe

        Also, i don't see how my posting make me shallow. And to clarify I criticized their shallow analysis not their character. I'd appreciate knowing the name of the person who so is quick to call me, a person I assume you don't know, shallow. I have plenty of school and university pride, i just won't sign up for the verision of Columbia we display on Bwog. I actually love going to school here. But would you be stoked to come here if you read bwog threads from this past semester?

        you're right, that was a mistake on my part, white births make up less than 50 of births but not the total population, but the jist of the point still stands. White students make up a larger % of the population of colleges than they do of the general population.

        prejudices are created from our life experiences, but prejudice and racism are not equivalent terms. one can keep the prejudices from becoming racism by critically assess the world around them.

        i take no issue with people with differing viewpoints (thats why i mentioned people should be friends with people from all backgrounds) but differing view points aren't all equal: some are just different perspectives and other are racist. i am not okay with racist view points.

        ps: what's your name?

      • Ethan Kogan

        There was nothing hypocritical about Bunge's comment. It's quite easy to advocate interracial learning and communication, and also violently denounce all racist viewpoints as the communication of something that should never be communicated. The eradication of racism is much more pressing than attending to the hurt-feelings of racists who feel stifled by an antiracist atmosphere.

        What is Bunge supposed to "do about it" in the few minutes between reading her classmate's infuriating commentary, and writing her retort? Scramble to put together a semester-length curriculum and a petition to President Bollinger demanding immediate, summer-school implementation of her ethnic studies class? What a mean-spirited and unrealistic criticism.

        Bunge read the initial hateful post, about the races of a woman's myriad physical and verbal abusers, correctly. What must be the motivations of a post that has hardly anything to do with a tragic news story? The minority status of her attackers notwithstanding, what the fuck kind of post is that? Here, on this thread -- why? Can you think of literally any reason? You've neutralized her post by stating that it's true. Lots of truths exist; their existence alone can't rationalize their inclusion in a conversation. But Anonymous included her truths here, and the point she undoubtedly made was that this killing was just another example of a culture of poverty among people of color. Read some of her defenses to people who call her out. She said, "someone needs to figure out a solution for all these poor men...I just want to feel safe in my own city." I mean, are you fucking serious? Read your history, recognize what tradition of American whiteness this statement echoes, and tell me you don't just hate this shit. I mean are you FUCKING SERIOUS?

    • Anonymous

      You don't go to school with these people. Stop pretending Barnard is the same as Columbia.

  59. Anonymous

    Congrats, Bwog commenters, you finally made me embarrassed to go to school with some of you. I really hope a lot of the horrible racism is non-affiliates, but I can't lie to myself like that.

  60. Anonymous

    i'm pretty sure we have dragged our name through the mud with these posts and so many others throughout the past semester. its odd that you're more concerned about image than the lives of three people

  61. Anonymous

    Yeah, all these racist/ stupid comments make us look like Princeton or something...

  62. Anonymous

    Not all people, just nonwhites.

  63. Van Owen

    What a waste of a couple of perfectly good black guys and one mexican...too bad. Hey, the BMW 7 series has great sound dampening features...well done.

  64. Dear Bwog

    Let me get this straight. Making broad generalizations in the comments section about black folks based on a crime that didn't involve them: bad, deleted. Making broad generalizations about white folks based on dozens of stupid anonymous comments on your site: sure, let's keep those.

    Is that right?

  65. wOw

    I didn't realize I went to school with so many racists. What happened to all the CU wellness bullshit?

  66. Anonymous

    why didn't Barnard students get this text?

  67. Anonymous  

    how did all this talk about racism even start?? if you look at the early comments, there isn't really anything that bad, before the PC-bullshit woman at least....

  68. Anonymous  

    how did all this talk about racism even start?? if you look at the early posts, there isn't really anything that bad, before the PC-bullshit-woman at least....

  69. Lisa

    Hey everyone, guess what? I love you. All of you. And I'm pretty freakin' happy about it. You should try it sometime; you'll be pretty freakin' happy, too.

  70. Hmm  

    > That feel when this suspect doesn't live up to your cinematic expectations of the cool, calm, and collected killer.
    > That feel when this suspect is, in fact, wearing sweatpants.

  71. Anonymous

    Slightly racist BUT I support you in that what you have experienced is unfair and have had similar problems.

    I think the root of the problem is that I, as a woman, do not feel safe walking alone at night. Based on approaches/assaults/comments made to me on the basis of my gender (touching, grabbing, asking/demanding sex/kisses etc) and that is not fair to women.

    We should all be able to go use public spaces equally. Additionally, I have encountered this kind of treatment everywhere in Manhattan (Morningside Heights, UES, SoHo). I think "PC Bullshit" comes in when people claim that the sexes are equal and that any woman acknowledging street harassment for what it is is "overreacting."

  72. yo

    No more racist comments below this line. Thanks!

    ---------------------------------------------------------------

  73. Hey BWOG

    Anyone here down to see Snow White and the Klansman tonight at 10:15? "Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the whitest of them all?"

  74. Did anyone else

    think Prometheus was shit?

  75. Anchorman  

    Wow that escalated quickly

  76. While you elite kids were busy arguing

    my friends from virginia tech learned a new language, started their own businesses, and volunteered to teach 3rd grade for free in a west african village.

    get a fucking hold of yourselves.

    - concerned columbia classmate

  77. Eric Donahue, NUMBER CRUNCHER

    I was curious so I decided to use the good ol' Track feature to look at some statistics, since everyone has already been so eager to jump on the timeless bandwagons of "OHMAHGAWD THIS RACIST SCHOOL DISGUSTS ME" and "BWOG IS DESTROYING MY FAITH IN HUMANITY." So let's analyze this.

    I don't subscribe to the squeamish idea that having a level-headed discussion about race issues AT ALL is bad, so I tried to pick every comment that I thought could be considered objectionable at all. My results: (at the most) 77 comments by (apparently) 26 people. So, out of 27,606 students (I'm assuming that anyone in our community could have posted here since it's a community-wide discussion, but even if it's just undergraduates because it's BWOG, it's below .38% of them)--and keeping in mind that practically none of these comments were posted on Columbia's campus, so it could've been the same person multiple times, or people who don't even go to our school, but let's assume that they all do and are unique--we have, heck, let's round up to 30 Bwog commenters who appear "racist," and by "racist" of course we mean prejudiced against people who are not white based on personal experience, which is qualitatively different than "my papa told me to hate the blacks," which was rarer in this comment section and I'd say amounted to less than half of the offensive posters.

    So, yes... about .1% of Columbia students, at the most, have been demonstrated to be prejudiced or racist or what have you. To put that in perspective: out of the total number of Facebook friends I have from Columbia, I would expect less than half of a person to be racist, or perhaps for one person to be half-racist. There is probably a higher incidence of walking across the campus and brushing up against someone who has cancer or who is a rapist or who is carrying felonious amounts of black-tar heroin in their cargo shorts. (Hell, it's probably more likely that you run into a monarchist.) How can you expect that, given how little the school knows about you when you're admitted, it could POSSIBLY know whether a student holds offensive views? If anything you should be shocked that more people DON'T hold offensive views. Why would you assume that the applicant pool for an Ivy League university in New York City would self-select against that when most of us are 17-19 years old at the time? Hell, based on these comments, many of the "racists" don't even think their views are problematic!

    And before you get to saying, "But Sir Number Cruncher, what about all those people who are prejudiced but don't thoughtfully post on Bwog comments so we can quantify them?" I would say, "Well, if somebody holds beliefs and doesn't act on them or share them with any other people, then besides trying to educate and reach out to them, what more can you do?" I only worry about people who actively spout their hate, but that seems to be such an overwhelming minority of Bwog commenters alone that it's possible that the posts about "HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH OFFENSIVE BWOG COMMENTS" actually *outnumber* them this time around. I certainly don't think it's worth people whining about how much they hate our school, as if the vast majority of Columbia students aren't either not prejudiced or nuanced enough in their prejudice that it doesn't come out most of the time. Be an advocate about how they need to change, certainly--because many of them probably do--but don't make baseless assumptions about how flawed strangers MIGHT be.

    Why do I care? Because yet again people jumped out of their seats with excitement to "get rid of this anonymous comment culture" or "[get] Bwog [to]... DELETE THIS COMMENT," and as I think that online anonymity, for all its problems, is perhaps the most important things we can hold onto. Because Bwog is an institution on our campus and I would rather see people deal with the ugly reality of what a negligible minority believes (especially when it's a troubling viewpoint that others may have and needs to be addressed, rather than just one-on-one mindless epithets) than have some random sophomore at Bwog have the power to decide what is acceptable and delete entire points of view from a public forum. We lose the racist .1% of our community, but is it worth the precedent it sets?

    tl;dr - It's something like .1% of our community (below .4% of just undergraduates) spouting racist drivel, and beyond that there's no way of knowing what people believe, so stop letting your negative encounters with a minority affect your attitudes towards the vast majority, stop melodramatically exaggerating, and start educating people on why they're wrong and advocating for better attitudes if you really care. Censorship causes blindness.

  78. Van Owen

    3 out of 4 drug dealers prefer to get shot near Columbia...

  79. Anonymous

    I'm surprised the dialogue is focusing solely on race rather than touching on the drug angle involved.
    Columbia students need to realize that by providing a market for marijuana and other drugs they are indirectly contributing to this sort of violence (and other forms of drug violence domestically and globally...think Cartels in N. Mexico). The priors of the deceased implies that they were involved with the trafficking of marijuana not hard drugs, so the argument that violence only involves drugs like crack and heroin is invalid in this case.
    Sure the legalization of marijuana could contribute to reducing this sort of violence in the long run; however, this effect would not be instantaneous. If there was no market for drugs, this sort of violence would be a lot less likely to occur. I'm not trying to make life decisions for people, but it should be something to consider in making your consumption decisions. The fact that this happened on Columbia's doorstep (along with operation ivy league) should drive home the point that privileged college students involved in drugs are not actually as removed from the lasting negative social consequences of drugs as they may believe.

  80. Anonymous

    I'm surprised the dialogue on this issue has solely focused on race thus far and hasn't touched on the drug angle yet.
    According to the auxiliary articles on this crime, the deceased were allegedly involved in the distribution of marijuana. Drugs should be legalized arguments aside, Columbia students need to recognize that by consuming marijuana and other drugs, they are providing a market, and with this market comes violent competition for market share, as exemplified by this crime and all of the drug-related violence domestically and worldwide, including the cartel violence in N. Mexico etc.. The fact that the deceased in this case had priors involving marijuana demonstrates that drug-related violence is not confined to hard drugs like crack and heroin.
    Sure, the legalization of marijuana could perhaps reduce the likelihood of this sort of violence occurring; however, there is no guarantee that that would happen or that it would happen promptly. The trade of legal commodities (e.g. diamonds) can contribute to significant amounts of violence world. True, violence would probably be much less if things were legalized.
    Legalization argument tangent aside, events like this (and of course the whole operation Ivy League debacle to a lesser extent) that occur on Columbia's doorstep demonstrate that the negative social consequences of drugs are not removed from the Columbia community and area. I'm not trying to dictate others' life choices, but people need to consider the extended consequences of their actions further.

  81. jonnyBlaze

    Look dummies, this is not a race issue. This is about organized crime & drugs cartels. The fact is that cartels are getting more and more ruthless in their pursuit of profits. Every time one of you kids buys a $100 bag of coke (and I KNOW you Columbia kids have a penchant for the white stuff) you are contributing to the cartels. You are contributing to the guns they use. You are contributing to the hitman's fee.

    Lessons learned: Criminals will kill other criminals. That's just what they do. It's not really a big deal. But be very careful with the people you deal with when you're getting your gram of fun for the weekend. Don't mess with them or they will end your life without thinking twice.

  82. TLI

    that white people have done shitty things, black people have done shitty things, and hispanic people have done shitty things.

    history and culture dictate how our races, classes and genders interact. unfortunately, we live in a time when relations between all these sets of people are still, at the very best, tense. but it's time to stop blaming each other for things done in the past and focus on how we can fix the future. one day, when my kids are watching the news, and a story comes out about a 3-person homicide, i would not like my grandkids' first thoughts to be: "i wonder what race, class and gender they were?"

  83. Anonymous

    funny you mention it because all three were black and in their 20's.

    none of the victims were columbia or MSM students. the shooting happened right outside of Knox

  84. Anonymous

    Why does any of this matter? They were people. People are people. Like you, like me, like PrezBo. Who gives a shit what color or class they were from?

  85. Anonymous

    funny? low class black on low class black violence is rampant in the area

  86. Student

    False -- at least one was Hispanic. The male in the backseat was not been confirmed, according to the Spectator.

  87. Anonymous

    This took place in a BMW. How low class could it be?

  88. Anonymous

    low class morals, lifestlye, etc...

  89. Anonymous

    lol. spend like there's no tomorrow. classic low class

  90. Bwog

    Destroying your faith in humanity since 2006.

  91. Well, shit.

    This is the worst thing that I've ever read on Bwog.

  92. Anonymous

    Exhibit A my friends. I'm the woman he's talking to and I'll b the first one to say: don't feed the trolls. Move along. They snarl but they can't bite.

  93. Andrea Garcia-Vargas  

    I'm interested by your use of the word "lynching."

  94. Nelson

    That's not true at all. They would have been released just like the group of white guys that beat the Latino almost to death in Long Island and were simply released on parole.

  95. No, you're not.

    You're just grasping at straws.

  96. Anonymous

    bet this guy is an anthro major.

  97. Andrea Garcia-Vargas  

    I'm not, and I'm also not implying you're racist. But in using a word like that metaphorically, you're attempting to equate two fundamentally different situations. You're minimizing the horror of actual lynching by equating it to "white people being discriminated by the media." The latter of which, frankly, hasn't never happened on a systematic scale.

  98. Doubt it

    I seriously doubt that.

  99. Anonymous

    I guess bwog uncensored is making a cum back

  100. Anonymous

    go back to spec

  101. Lulz  

    > hasn't never happened

    Game, point, match.

  102. Anonymous

    You're right. They'd make a reality show out of it first. Then they'd guillotine the perps.

  103. Anonymous

    ...because white guys never ever steal or leer, correct? got it.

  104. Oh lawds  

    I love to be lectured about 'privilege' by my fellow Ivy Leaguers. Shame they didn't go to "state school" so as to avoid any accusations of "hypocrisy," "opportunism," or "collaboration."

  105. sigh  

    (Ooooohhhhh, did I just decontextualize Malcolm X?)

    No. Not even a little bit.

    Not sure what to add here; you're a shitty human being and seem very content of this fact. I guess "shitty" isn't a bad word by your standards.

    I don't blame you; I blame your parents. Luckily, the world's rationality will always outweigh you. Hopefully.

  106. Darling Jimenez

    Omg yes please, white people rise up, lets defend ourselves against these minorities that think that they have rights and that they belong here, God forbid that they should ever think themselves equal, this equality non-sense must be stopped now.

    And of course how could i have possibly forgotten that historically it is whites who have been abused, mistreated, deprived and systematically killed in this country.

    Oh wait, it wasn't whites, it was minorities, pick up a text book before you make such uninformed comments and while your at it, learn some racial sensibilities. Proudly, Darling Jimenez (this anonymous non sense it's just a wall to hide behind, own your thoughts)

  107. Deuce

    Well back that up, friend. I'm legitimately curious now. What could you, or any other band of anonymous vigilante white men, do to protect the sanctity of Caucasian culture WITHOUT resembling in some fashion another group of anonymous... vigilante... white men... who believed they were defending the sanctity of their culture.

    'Cos the way you posed that rallying cry sure as hell doesn't sound like your calling for your friendly neighborhood watch group. Now I'm not putting words in your mouth (yet), but I am saying you'd better clarify your thoughts before someone else does. Oh, and sorry for assuming you're a man.

  108. Oh lawds, indeed  

    I didn't mean to accompany the White Separatist.

    [inb4 the anthro majors sniff out a conspiracy]

  109. Lol

    I love racist jokes. They make me feel all warm and fuzzy. Who needs safe spaces when you can just casually make fun the murder of a child?

  110. Anonymous  

    call me maybe?

  111. I love how everyone forgets...

    ...that Columbia was here first..

  112. Don't throw stones.

    So an error negates the validity of the point? If it does, then perhaps you should know that the proper phrase is 'Game. Set. Match.' Tool.

  113. Anonymous

    Oh please with the guilt trip - so 60's.

    Even black leaders recognize the problem. Have you heard what Jesse Jackson said?

    "There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved."

  114. Deuce

    Gooby pls. I don't want to assume that you're actually that silly or socially impaired. But if you do want to go through with this, just don't let your group get out of hand and become some kind of ivy-leagued KKK. That's all I'm really asking. 'Cos you would be the source of a super shitty time for everyone if it did. Also, you might want to rethink the whole "by any and all means necessary" bit. That sounds pretty intimidating, and I promise you, buddy, that the last thing anyone wants is a reason to be terrified of white people. 'Cos that's when shit gets reallllllyyyy ugly. Peace.

    P.S. Once again I don't want to make assumptions, but if you're one of those cats that demonizes Harlem, don't do it. Attend a couple block parties or chat on a corner or visit a cool bodega and make a couple friends here and there. You'll be a happier person. One Love.

  115. Anonymous

    to all those who upvoted this -- this was a reply attached to a now-deleted comment that was so horrifically misogynistic and sexist, it blew my mind. it is not, a comment on this discussion.

  116. Anonymous

    f*ck you and f*ck that people like you are trying to force this school into the elitism we rightfully try to sink below.

  117. The Dark Hand

    ...but what about the white men, who will speak for us ;_;

  118. Anonymous  

    Maybe it's about time the would-be muggers and rapists had a reason to think twice the next time they decided to prey on a white student.

    "Realllllyyy ugly?" Compared to what? The peaceful situation where whites are expected to shut up whenever they're victimized? The current state of affairs where women who complain about being harassed on the street or sexually assaulted are BLAMED for "being in the wrong place" or being part of some historical narrative of "institutional racism" that makes them, somehow, deserving of any of this?

    Really ugly? God forbid white people start DEFENDING THEMSELVES.

  119. Anonymous

    This is as pretty ignorant, no offense. Yes, violence like this are case by case; every race of people commit crimes. But race is important because, such as the fact that race of the victims may give clues to the race of the murderer (there is a big correlation for people who are the same race and people who hang out together; no I'm not a racist you dipshit it's been proven). What are you even arguing for anyway? That police/media doesn't disclose the race of the people shot and possible race of the murderer when announcing the facts? ...... -.-.......please don't be one of those people who think everything to do with race is "racist"

  120. Hey Asshole

    If you're going to say shit about a person's parents based on their name, then you just reached a new level of stupidity.

  121. Anonymous

    To be honest, I agree it's a pretty stupid fucking name. And since stupidity is genetic, their name choice is a reflection on you.

  122. White privilege...

    White privilege is stealing land and then having the gall to tell others to go back to where they came from.

  123. f*cking h*ll man  

    I mean sh*t.

  124. Bwog

    This is a racist statement. Take it down.

  125. Anonymous

    Yeah man, that guilt trip during the 60s was soo uncomfortable. People were all like "we should be able to vote without being terrorized" and "we should be able to sit at the front of the bus" and "our marriages shouldn't be restricted based on race" and "we shouldn't be denied housing because of our race." Such an annoying guilt trip.

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