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We’re (Still) #4!

But this time, we’re tied with UChicago, that other college with a core curriculum. Harvard and Princeton are tied for 1st, Yale takes 3rd, and 6th is split between MIT and Stanford. Penn has dropped to 8th; remember when we languished there while they took 4th?

Barnard, meanwhile, is back to 28th in the Liberal Arts Colleges division, after bizarrely slipping to 33rd last year. (Barnard is the most selective women’s college, but it’s not the highest-ranked. This year, sisters Wellesley, Smith, Bryn Mawr, and Mt. Holyoke ranked 6th, 18th, 26th, and 32nd, respectively.)

Here are the top 25 national universities:

1. Harvard
1. Princeton
3. Yale
4. Columbia
4. UChicago
6. MIT
6. Stanford
8. Duke
8. Penn
10. Caltech
10. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Washington University in St. Louis
15. Brown
15. Cornell
17. Rice
17. Notre Dame
17. Vanderbilt
20. Emory
21. Georgetown
21. UC-Berkeley
23. Carnegie Mellon
24. UCLA
24. USC

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46 Comments

  • CC'14 says:

    @CC'14 Still not higher than princeTTTon? What a joke.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Personally I am sad that I’ll never be able to attend Columbia when it becomes number one ranked school. However, I’m satisfied with number 4 and the day we become the best will be a joyous occasion indeed!

    1. CC'14 says:

      @CC'14 I think it’ll happen in about a decade or so. After the first buildings in Manhattanville make a noticeable improvement to Columbia’s research output.

      1. CC 13 says:

        @CC 13 yay imperialist expansion! … oh wait.

      2. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous They design the formula so harvard or princeton is always number one. Maybe if they changed how they calculate the rankings, they would become a more accurate reflection.

        1. get over says:

          @get over yourself. I go to Columbia. Even I wouldn’t complain about the system. No system is right, especially when it comes to ranking different schools. It’s like asking, who’s better Lebron or Federer in a “ranking of athletes”

    2. CC '12 says:

      @CC '12 That has to be one of the most pathetic, pompous, and blowhard comments ever. You really derive that much satisfaction from some arbitrary list? Shows how much you’re actually getting out of your experience at Columbia.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous But Colombia just beat Chile 3-1 in the World Cup qualifier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous SEAS is also #4?

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous looks like SEAS is #6

      1. the top engineering says:

        @the top engineering oriented schools are getting hammered in the rankings. I bet engineers can calibrate a better, more systematic ranking system if they cared enough to do this pointless beauty contest shit. but wait, they derive greater utility working on the next breakthrough that makes REAL news rather than US news

        – a morning thought

        1. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous What are you talking about? Columbia, MIT, and Cal Tech are in the top 10.

    2. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous This is undergraduate rankings. Only data submitted by Columbia were CC/SEAS data. So yes, Undergraduate SEAS is #4

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Who cares about this nonsense?

  • FILGB says:

    @FILGB Where’s Barnard?

    1. CC'12 says:

      @CC'12 1) this is for universities, not liberal arts colleges.
      2) since barnard is part of columbia, barnard would also be #4…

      1. no... says:

        @no... barnard is ranked separately, on the liberal arts college list

      2. CC 14 says:

        @CC 14 I think it’s pretty inaccurate that Barnard is #28 on the liberal arts colleges list. They don’t take its relationship with Columbia into account, and that’s what of the most important aspects of Barnard. It’s definitely better than schools like Bryn Mawr because of its access to Columbia faculty and resources, etc. These are flawed lists.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Columbia should be one or two. Princeton should not be in the top ten.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous well argued, sir.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Columbia would be 1 if they didn’t include SEAS and GS.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous GS has the highest GPA in the school.

      And engineering is hard.

    2. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Best part about this comment is that GS isn’t included in the stats.

      What sense does it make to compare a silver starred marine scout sniper’s SAT scores from 8 years ago against a 17 year old prep student’s?

      1. the says:

        @the man doesn’t even go here.

      2. Silver Star? says:

        @Silver Star? *obama “not bad” face*

    3. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous if they didn’t include SEAS, the average SAT scores would be lower and columbia would be ranked much lower.

    4. i hate these says:

      @i hate these arguments but if you had to bring it up. Here’s the proof of your ignorance.

      GS is not included in the ranking. Even if so, I doubt much would change. Acceptance rate is like 2-5% of ranking weight. Thats why chicago with a 15% acceptance rate overall is tied with Columbia.

      SEAS is included in the ranking, and for the better. SAT score is 15% of the ranking. The 2011 Columbia overall SAT score according to US news: 1390-1560 (25th, 75th percentile) . SEAS alone in 2011: 1440-1570, (25th, 75th). Just imagine omitting SEAS and CC ranking. It would not be a good outcome. Columbia would end up 5th or lower.
      Just an afterthought, Chicago’s SAT distribution is 1400-1570. If this trend continues, Columbia might not hold on to 4th if it fails to improve its SAT score distribution in the college. Of course, some people don’t care about the ranking. So kudos to them

      SRC:
      http://profiles.asee.org/profiles/5438/screen/19?school_name=Columbia+University
      http://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/data

    5. i don't like these says:

      @i don't like these arguments but if you had to bring it up. Here’s the proof of your ignorance.

      GS is not included in the ranking. Even if so, I doubt much would
      change. Acceptance rate is like 2-5% of ranking weight. Thats why
      chicago with a 15% acceptance rate overall is tied with Columbia.

      SEAS is included in the ranking, and for the better. SAT score is 15%
      of the ranking. The 2011 Columbia overall SAT score according to US
      news: 1390-1560 (25th, 75th percentile) . SEAS alone in 2011 according to ASEE.org:
      1440-1570, (25th, 75th). Just imagine omitting SEAS and CC ranking. It
      would not be a good outcome. Columbia would end up 5th or lower.
      Just an afterthought, Chicago’s SAT distribution is 1400-1570. If this
      trend continues, Columbia might not hold on to 4th if it fails to
      improve its SAT score distribution in the college. Of course, some
      people don’t care about the ranking. So kudos to them

      third time posting because bwog keeps censoring

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous Well, that’s not accurate because Yale’s, Columbia’s, Stanford’s, and MIT’s SAT scores are way higher than Princeton’s. Yale consistently has the highest SAT scores in the ivy league.

        1. I don't understand says:

          @I don't understand your reasoning. Are you saying that admissions rate trumps SAT when it comes to ranking?

          Btw, you are wrong. There’s so little difference if any among the three to make a drastic difference ranking. Princeton’s SAT distribution is 1410-1590. Harvard’s 1390-1590. Yale’s 1400-1590 (the middle).

          Also, the ranking score for Yale is 99, whereas for Harvard and Princeton are 100 respectively.
          Columbia’s 95, and you can see why SAT matters so much because Columbia beats the other three in almost all other categories: graduation rate, freshman retention, classes under 20. Go check out the facts before you speak.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Emory before Gtown? wtf.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Yeah, there’s not really a formula. It’s designed so they can do tiny tweaks that make big changes – they just pick a list and figure out the math to generate it later.

  • this person says:

    @this person must not go to columbia. what a ridiculous comment
    Stop trolling the Columbia forum reserved for students. Go find something better to do in your life, imposter

  • i don't like says:

    @i don't like arguments but if you had to bring it up. Here’s a toast to your ignorance.

    GS is not included in the ranking. Even if so, I doubt much would change. Acceptance rate is like 2-5% of ranking weight. Thats why chicago with a 15% acceptance rate overall is tied with Columbia.

    SEAS is included in the ranking, and for the better. SAT score is 15% of the ranking. The 2011 Columbia overall SAT score according to US news: 1390-1560 (25th, 75th percentile) . SEAS alone in 2011: 1440-1570, (25th, 75th). Just imagine omitting SEAS and CC ranking. It would not be a good outcome. Columbia would end up 5th or lower.
    Just an afterthought, Chicago’s SAT distribution is 1400-1570. If this trend continues, Columbia might not hold on to 4th if it fails to improve its SAT score distribution in the college. Of course, some people don’t care about the ranking. So kudos to them

    SRC:
    http://profiles.asee.org/profiles/5438/screen/19?school_name=Columbia+University
    http://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/data

    and BWOG please don’t censor my comments.

    1. Peter says:

      @Peter To fight spam, any comment that includes a link gets held in moderation until it’s manually approved by an editor (and we approve everything that’s not spam or a duplicate comment). It might take some time for your comment to show up, but it hasn’t been censored!

  • '13 says:

    @'13 cant believe we are tied for the 4th. the way i look at it, columbia has been holding off the enemies in the fortress, and the plebeians were just able to break through. cant believe im graduating in this year. #shameful

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Columbia is way better than Chicago in every parameter. Chicago has double the acceptence rate, lower scores, lower GPA, lower endowment, lower graduation rate, etc, etc.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous oh, that’s how we measure a school. acceptance rank and grade inflation? Does thinking about these things exculpate your residual high school shame?

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous Please tell me where you’re finding all this (implied) grade inflation so I can start hoarding it for winter.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous fuck yeah it does, shut the fuck up. by letting others get over you, you are literally devaluing yourself. YOU ARE WORTH LESS.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Worth less than…

      what, exactly? Your online temper tantrum? That’s difficult to believe.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous ^ this guy

  • Van Owen says:

    @Van Owen Rankings are gay.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous is a self selecting school. the application is so tedious and annoying, the only people that apply are the ones who really want to go. Thus they have a stronger and smaller applicant pool which in turn makes their acceptance rate higher.

    1. well, says:

      @well, that was supposed to be a reply about UChicago.

    2. theres one says:

      @theres one reason why people don’t want to go through the hurdles applying to chicago. it’s simply unattractive (relatively speaking), not that its hard. You can’t argue with all sincerity that chicago is any harder than the other top ten schools…

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