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BREAKING: Obama to Speak at Barnard’s Commencement

In hugely unexpected news, Barnard has canceled Jill Abramson’s appearance at this year’s Commencement, in favor of the President of the United States, CC ’83. Barack Hussein Obama is confirmed to be delivering this year’s keynote address at Barnard’s graduating ceremony. Students have been campaigning to bring Obama to Columbia’s commencement for years, from casual sighs around this time of year, to the full-scale media onslaught that was the POTUS project of Sean Udell, CCSC class president of 2011. Apparently, all it took was Barnard’s Medal of Distinction.

For once, Bwog couldn’t agree more with PrezBo, who stated in the press release, “All of us can be proud that President Obama, the first Columbia graduate to serve in the nation’s highest office, has chosen to honor the importance of women’s leadership by returning to campus at our historic sister liberal arts college for women in New York.”

Barnard Prez DSpar sent the following email to the Barnard community at 10:00 am this morning:

Dear members of the Class of 2012,

I have exciting news to report. Each year, President Obama selects a small number of schools at which to deliver commencement addresses. This year, the President has chosen Barnard College and will address you, our senior class, on May 14th. This is a great honor and a testament to your collective intelligence and accomplishment. It will be a thrill for all of us to welcome President Obama and hear his words.

Jill Abramson, executive editor of The New York Times, was previously announced as the keynote speaker and has noted that she is happy to speak at Barnard at a later date.

As you might imagine, tickets for the ceremony will no longer be unlimited, but we will be as accommodating as possible to you and your families. We anticipate that each student will receive 6 tickets at a minimum. Dean Schneider and Lillian Appel will be contacting you with details on the logistics of the day, and we will continue to post updates on the Commencement website as the date approaches:

I know that you share my excitement about this very special news. As ever, I look forward to celebrating your spectacular achievements on May 14th.

Super serious photo of Barack via Wikimedia Commons

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  • I, says:

    @I, for one, could not agree less with PrezBo.

    1. PiggyBacking says:

      @PiggyBacking WE WANT FLOTUS

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous I agree with this comment and am actually miffed that a powerful woman like Jill Abramson was pushed aside for a man, even if that man is POTUS. If the White House wanted to make a statement, I would have loved having Michelle as speaker instead. I assume I’m in the minority though.

        1. No, says:

          @No, it’s not “a man,” it’s the President of the United States. Get the fuck over it.


            @ARE YOU PEOPLE THAT RETARDED Obama is a democrat. he won the last election, largely (and you can argue all you want) because he is black and historically he beat even bill clinton in the number of black turnout voters PLUS the fact that many white people were unemployed/fucked under Bush, both poor and middle class combined.
            And given the current situation regarding the economy and the national concurrence (as much as i dont COMPLETELY agree with this) that bankers and financiers are to blame for all our problems, and the fact that Ivy League schools are feeders into Wall Street, it’s not a good idea to give a speech at an elite institution where students spend $1200 on a pillow to decorate their dorm rooms.
            I am a liberal. I am a democrat. I am on 100% financial aid. I come from a low income family. I fight for the poor and for social change. But when I wore a “Columbia” sweatshirt to the airport, a random woman struck up a convo with me and in it, the first thing she said was “oh my gosh you go to columbia? wow how can you possibly afford that? your family must live in the hamptons or something for you to afford that sort of tuition! are you planning on going to wall street?” Even I could not convince her otherwise.
            Conclusion: Most Americans outside of our ivy walls do NOT understand us, do not understand how we work, do not understand that Columbia and the rest of the Ivies are now need-based, do not understand that so many of us at Ivies are in fact, very liberal and NOT rich. But they don’t know that. Unfortunately.
            NOW onto Obama. What IDIOT would make a speech at an elite institution with a reputation for churning out corporate lawyers, bankers, and plastic surgeons? What IDIOT would make a speech at an elite institution that housed John McCain’s daughter, that housed the sons and daughters of several elite Wall Street CEOs, that boasts professors who formerly commanded $50 Million salaries at Goldman Sachs? (Emanuel, im looking at you, sir)
            What IDIOT would make a speech at Columbia, when 80% of his voters have no fucking clue about what Columbia really is and that we do a lot for society other than churn out bankers and we’re an elite school for the top 1% to send their kids to?
            Obama has it bad enough that he’s been reported to have accepted millions of dollars from Goldman Sachs. But Goldman has donated millions to him. How much has Columbia donated to his campaign? A mere $75000 for a commencement speech? Please. He’d rather take Barnard and woo women voters.
            Now lets all shut the fuck up now about this tomfoolery. Roll up your sleeves and get the fuck back to work. You have a prestigious degree to earn and a future Presidency to run.

          2. CC'12 says:

            @CC'12 THANK YOU.

        2. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous Get over it! Columbia girls would gladly take Obama, you should be proud and privileged that such a prestigious Columbia College grad is crossing the street to speak to you at Barnard!

          1. not helping the whole CC pretentious clich says:

            @not helping the whole CC pretentious clich We’re privileged and proud to have Obama as the commencement speaker because he’s the POTUS not because he’s from Columbia. Get off your high horse.

          2. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous I’m so sick of CC students thinking they are entitled. Get over it. We’re all so fortunate to have to opportunity to go to Columbia. Some of us are clearly not intelligent to realize what they’ve been given and should have never been offered an opportunity to go here anyways. Fuck the misogyny.

          3. I see what you did there says:

            @I see what you did there Smooth transition between accusations of elitism to accusations of misogyny! Don’t make this a gendered debate. Things are complicated enough as it is.

            Oops, too late, everyone thinks we’re pigs now.

      2. Epiphany... says:

        @Epiphany... Michelle Obama needs to become a rapper so her rap name can be FLOwTUS.

        We need to make this happen.

    2. CC NEEDS says:

      @CC NEEDS Ron Paul to speak at commencement.

      1. Another note.. says:

        @Another note.. kind of a bitchy move by Barnard to cancel Jill Abramson’s appearance to have Obama’s instead. Poor lady probably had her speech ready and all.

        1. Eh says:

          @Eh Judging from her response, that she’d be happy to speak at Barnard in the future, I don’t think she was just dropped. It sounds more like she got a rain check.

          1. Well says:

            @Well it was more like, “oh hey we got someone better to speak this year, we’re going to defer you for the moment.” Her response was more forced than one that was sympathetic towards the decision.

        2. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous And if Barnard had turned down Obama’s offer no doubt all these comments would be insulting that decision as well.
          I am sure had he extended an offer to speak on class day, PrezBo would have made the decision to drop any previously scheduled speaker as well. What college would turn down the President’s request to deliver the commencement address?

        3. Anon says:

          @Anon Barnard didn’t ask President Obama to speak, his office contacted DSpar and asked if he could speak. Having the huge honor of the President speaking at commencement is not something you turn down.

      2. BC '14 says:

        @BC '14 Ron Paul would be the only thing that could make me wish I were going to Columbia’s commencement.

        1. oh gawd says:

          @oh gawd I’m glad I don’t know you.

      3. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous No, CC needs Ahmadinejad. haha

    3. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous seriously though, barnard and cc/seas are gonna hate each other for another decade

      1. seas '13 says:

        @seas '13 Hey now, leave SEAS out of this.

      2. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous this is true -___- congrats to them tho.

      3. Unite! says:

        @Unite! Columbia and Barnard people, let’s stop fighting each other and gang up on this smug piece of shit from Harvard who’s trying to troll all of us:

      4. SEAS '13 says:

        @SEAS '13 Hold on there, cowperson. Let’s not lump SEAS and CC together; there’s plenty of unfortunate animosity between those groups. I’m glad that none of my friends are dumb enough to think SEAS/CC/BC/GS makes any difference, but that’s kind of a result of selection, I guess…

    4. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Hahaha, this is actually the funniest thing; mad Columbia girls who despise, but at the same time are jealous of Barnard girls…

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Barnard gets the best speakers every year! Hilary, Streep, Sandberg, now Obama

  • ahhhh wtf says:

    @ahhhh wtf a tag that will encompass many emotions today

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous PMSing much?

      1. Jordan Borgman says:

        @Jordan Borgman I’m sorry, why is it that every time a woman makes a comment–good or bad–she’s “PMSing”? That’s an incredibly sexist thing to say, not to mention degrading.

        Why whenever a man says something we disagree with we don’t accuse him of having an erection when he said it or being too hyped up on testosterone (since all of us women apparently can’t think due to our unfortunate estrogen)? Because, goodness knows, guys are having erections a lot more often then girls are having their periods….

        Please don’t ever make such ignorant and sexist comments again. Or, if you do, why don’t you sign your name at the end of it. You know…like a man.

        -Jordan Borgman

        1. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous Why is it when a man says something he’s a “misgoynist” or “a loser” or “needs to get laid” ? Why don’t you cry me a river?

          1. sigh says:

            @sigh “Misogynist,” “loser,” and “needs to get laid” are non-gender-specific insults that can be addressed to women OR men.

            In contrast, only women are ever accused of PMS-ing.

            Get the difference?

        2. Sayee@NYU says:

          @Sayee@NYU Congrats on getting Obama for commencement. Make the most of it !!!

  • CC'12 says:

    @CC'12 As a graduating senior who has to listen to some random dude at commencement, all I can say is WTF?!?!?!?!?

    1. She doesn't even go here! says:

      @She doesn't even go here! Really though… HE DIDN’T EVEN GO THERE.

    2. CC'12 says:

      @CC'12 dear fellow CC seniors, we don’t want OUR once in a life time class day to be full of obama’s election year campaign rhetoric ! we want an AUTHENTIC and GENUINE class day speech from someone who actually has CC PRIDE!!! John MacArthur seems to be a cool dude with a long career in journalism. in a sense, MacArthur the writer can capture the essence of our COLUMBIA COLLEGE experience more than what Obama the politician can offer!

      1. ObamaObama says:

        @ObamaObama the above is BS. Lets be honest

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous I’m pretty sure this will squash the “Is Barnard Columbia?” debate. CC/SEAS will definitely start spreading the news that Obama’s speaking at “their school.”

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Or maybe Prezbo’s comment will squash the debate…

      “…at our historic sister liberal arts college for women in New York.”

    2. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous What’s up with the thumbs down?
      I’m just saying the “Is Barnard Columbia?” debate exists and that CC/SEAS students will start posting facebook/twitter updates like “Obama’s speaking at Columbia!” and that some of those people would not have strongly associated themselves/Columbia with Barnard before.

      1. CC '12 says:

        @CC '12 Because that’s not true. I wouldn’t say that Obama is speaking at my school. Check your Facebook feed, that’s not what’s happening.

        1. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous It is true. You seriously don’t think there are people who used to think “Barnard’s not Columbia” that will start agreeing “Barnard is Columbia” because of this? Or at the very least, make the association stronger?

          My facebook feed shows CC/SEAS students and alumni posting news articles about Obama speaking at Barnard. Some mention “at Barnard” specifically while others have no messages. I’m sure an “at Columbia” post will show up in an hour or two.

          I personally do think Barnard is part of Columbia. But on the flip side, looks at the comments below like “OBAMA is speaking at Barnard and not Columbia!”

          1. OH, FUCK NO says:

            @OH, FUCK NO –CC’13

        2. NEVER says:

          @NEVER I will NEVER say that Barnard is Columbia.

          1. yawn says:

            @yawn i’m bored

          2. BC '12 says:

            @BC '12 Wait a year or two, freshman, and you’ll find that no one actually gives a shit about the Barnard/Columbia College rivalry. We’re all just here to learn and have fun, and if you’re not, that sucks for you.

          3. Wh@t @b0u+ S3A$ says:

            @Wh@t @b0u+ S3A$ ?????

      2. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous Why would we want to lower the implied standard of our education by saying that Barnard is part of Columbia?

        My intensive freshman orgo professor used to say after each exam that if you’re getting Cs on your exams, drop the class and take it at Barnard for an A. Always made me lulz in my head.

        1. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous uh, that’s bullshit. Everybody knows orgo and chem is waaay harder at barnard than at columbia. get your facts straight, asshole.

          1. Whoa there says:

            @Whoa there As a person who tutored for both this is throughly FALSE.

            But back to the main point. WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK???

            -disgruntled-ass CC’12

          2. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous Well, that’s what Ronald Breslow said in our class.

          3. ObamaObama says:

            @ObamaObama ignorance is bliss huh? I dont understand why we attack Barnard when they do well of getting the President of our country to speak at Commencment? Can we be genuinely happy about his?

          4. logical fallacy says:

            @logical fallacy …that could also just mean that barnard students find chem and orgo to be more difficult than columbia students do. if so, you’ve done nothing but further demonstrate the intellectual superiority (yeah, i said it) of columbia students by (1) not recognizing the fallacy, and (2) demonstrating that barnard students are much more likely to find chem and orgo to be difficult. way to go…

        2. Oops says:

          @Oops Accidentally thumbed up this post because I thought it was saying that Barnard wouldn’t want to imply a lower standard of education by being associated with Columbia. Oops.

        3. get your facts straight says:

          @get your facts straight So Barnard is ‘lowering your implied academic standard’… boohoo. So how did I, a BC student, get all A’s in the highest level math classes at Columbia. If you’re so sure that all BC students are just dumb and getting a Columbia diploma without doing the work, why don’t you openly show all your grades that you’ve gotten here at Columbia ..and then we can compare them to the grades of some BC students. The point is you should stop stereotyping. Instead, if you have a problem, talk about the individual instead. Not all BC students are dumb. Some are very smart.. some are less so. The same at Columbia. I don’t know how many times CC students have made idiotic comments in my classes. So, CC has stupid people too. And, it seems like you’re one of them.

          1. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous It seems that you have missed the point. I was not implying the Barnard students are stupid. I know a few that are amazing and smart people from Barnard and I’m friends with them. What I’m talking about is the curriculum at Barnard, and I think it’s of a different standard from Columbia.

            Also, I’m in SEAS, my grades are awesome, and I’ll be starting at a great engineering company after I graduate this May.

          2. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous Keep running your mouth about starting a company. News flash: No one cares!

          3. TRACKED! says:

            @TRACKED! This one is worth tracking…OBVIOUS TROLL IS OBVIOUS!

          4. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous It seems that you have missed the point. I was not implying the Barnard students are stupid. I know a few that are amazing people and I’m friends with them. What I’m talking about is the curriculum at Barnard, and I think it’s of a different standard from Columbia.

            Also, I’m in SEAS, my grades are awesome, and I’ll be starting at a great engineering company after I graduate this May.

        4. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous Where are all the GS kids? I want them to get angry about this! I guess they’re the only ones who are not in Kindergarten

      3. CC'12 says:

        @CC'12 the idea of Barnard = Columbia is BULLSHIT!
        from a quick google search…

        Barnard stats: For the class of 2012, the admission rate was 28.5% of the 4,273 applications received. The early-decision admission rate was 47.7%.

        CC stats: “The admit rate for Columbia College dropped to its lowest point ever—just 6.4 percent for the class of 2015”

        1. ObamaObama says:

          @ObamaObama Since we are talking about facts:

          The graduation speaker for CC is….John MacArthur
          The graduation speaker for BC is….President Barack Obama(graduate of CC)

          Bigger OUCH!

          1. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous clearly nobody thought through the concept of not everyone wants to go to a women’s college–barnard is much more self-selecting than columbia and gets significantly fewer applicants. the misogyny is disgusting.

          2. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous it’s not misogyny though. people don’t hate on barnard because it’s a women’s college, but because of the relationship to columbia/ ambiguous status

        2. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous I just want to point that Barnard accepts only women, already cutting the pool of potential applicants in half. And comparing the stats for 2012 and 2015 is not a fair comparison – admissions tend to get more and more competitive every year.
          Just saying this from a statistical point of view. Not commenting on the reasons behind applying to Barnard or Columbia.

          1. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous Completely bad statistic there. The fact that they accept only women is already *factored into* their admission rate, in the class size of the school.

            Consider this: What if one year, Columbia decided to cut their class size in half? They said “Alright, anyone with an innie belly button cannot apply”. Assuming that the innie/outie split is 50/50, what would happen to the acceptance rate? *nothing*! Because the innie-outie distinction is irrelevant to academic achievement, the remaining outies who applied would have an equal acceptance rate as they would have before, because there are half the spots available!

            Unless you want to claim that the male-female distinction is relevant to academic performance, noting that the class size of Columbia is almost exactly twice that of Barnard, you would expect a similar acceptance rate, assuming you think Barnard and Columbia have the same academic standards. But that’s not the case. You have to drop one hypothesis or the other.

            A. Women are significantly academically inferior to men.
            B. Barnard is significantly less selective than Columbia.

            I think we know which one is the right answer.

          2. dipshit stats says:

            @dipshit stats Or you could just say that not as many people apply to Barnard, which is a fact!

          3. dipshit stats? says:

            @dipshit stats? or indignant barnard girl who doesnt understand stats?

          4. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous Indeed, as it is too a fact that not as many people apply to Columbia College in Calgary, Alberta. Again, if you had any understanding of statistics, you would understand that this is precisely one of the things that measuring “selectivity” of a school is intended to reflect. You would also understand that due to the relative school sizes and potential applicant pools, this comparison is perfectly valid.

            Or, in simpler terms: *That’s the point*. There is not as much competition for spots at Barnard as there is for those at Columbia.

        3. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous That doesn’t mean that Barnard is better, it means it is CHEAPER. It is more women using the little loophole into getting a diploma that says Columbia.

          Economy down= people looking for a bargain

          1. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous YOU KNOW NOTHING. barnard is more expensive than columbia, and our financial aid sucks.

      4. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous “CC/SEAS students will start posting facebook/twitter updates like ‘Obama’s speaking at Columbia!'”

        Wow, you are seriously out of touch

    3. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous i thought you guys prided yourselves for being an independent women’s’ institution…not as columbia…

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous FUCK YEAH!!!!!

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous First of all, as a student in CC, I will not be saying that. Second of all, I don’t think it’s really a debate. Barnard is an undergraduate college affiliated with Columbia University.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Sorry, recaptcha bugged out and lost the “reply” thing. This is in response to the Columbia/Barnard “debate” comment.

    2. CC12 says:

      @CC12 Yeah whenever I have to describe Barnard to people I always say it’s the all-girls school across the street that we share shit with.

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous If it’s just that, then why do Barnard students get a diploma with Columbia University printed on it?

        1. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous What you SHOULD be asking is why students from Barnard get a diploma with Columbia University’s name on it when they never had to get in to Columbia (Barnard’s admissions process is completely independent of Columbia’s), satisfy the same requirements, or be graded on the same curve.

          1. why says:

            @why do we still care about admissions?

          2. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous It’s not about still caring, which I don’t think many do, it’s just that it’s a pretty good indicator of whether or not a school is “the same”.

          3. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous I disagree. As a women’s college, Barnard automatically gets a lot fewer applicants because of the single-sex aspect– not only because guys can’t attend, but because most girls want to go to a coed college. Girls who apply actually want to attend Barnard and are choosing it explicitly because they know that its strengths can complement theirs. Admissions sees this and recognizes the girls as a good fit for Barnard. etc etc

          4. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous Great, that’s fine, couldn’t agree more. If anything, it just provides more evidence to the fact that they’re not “the same”. I’m not commenting on the “better-ness” or “worse-ness” or whether or not one is more right for a student than the other, I’m just saying their different institutions in many significant ways.

          5. CC/SEAS says:

            @CC/SEAS Or they applied to Barnard because they couldn’t get into Columbia College.
            Sorry but I do know of individuals who have done that . . .

          6. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous Keep telling yourself that. I know so many girls who applied early to Columbia, got rejected, and then applied to Barnard. Those girls do not attend Barnard over Columbia by choice.

          7. as one of those girls... says:

            @as one of those girls... admittedly yes, columbia was my first choice at the time. but i think it was entirely serendipitous that i ended up at barnard, which i love so so much. i truly don’t think i would have loved my time at columbia nearly as much as i have loved my time at barnard.

          8. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous I feel the exact same way.

          9. probably says:

            @probably because you have much less work

          10. in response to "probably" says:

            @in response to "probably" i have many a columbia friend, and i’m pretty sure i’m just as overwhelmed with work as the next person. but that’s beside the point. i have loved my time at barnard because i take (generally, but not all) great classes with professors and students who care. i have loved it because our administration does make us feel appreciated (for the most part), even if their efforts come across as corny or juvenile at times. from this thread alone the barnard environment seems to be better, since so many columbia students have had so much trouble with their administration, and a recurring theme among bwog commenters in particular is that they are frustrated with the climate at columbia. yes, a good chunk of that spills across the street. but i have had so many professors and administrators who truly seem to care and make the extra effort. i value my happiness along with my education, and i will not apologize for that.

          11. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous but we are graded on the same curve when we take columbia classes…? if our classes are so easy, why don’t you just take most of yours over here?

          12. CC/SEAS says:

            @CC/SEAS Because for example, you can’t be a Bio major if you’re taking Bio at Barnard.
            Yes, you can’t even be a bio major in the college if you take it Barnard, thus proving that even Columbia College has to raise its standards.

          13. ObamaObama says:

            @ObamaObama Too bad your reasoning is flawed because its vise versa. Bio majors at Barnard cannot take their Bio classes at Columbia.

          14. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous So the real test is the non-bio pre-meds… because they are the only ones that can choose. They generally go to Barnard because it is easier

          15. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous I do. It’s awesome. every single barnard class I have taken has laughably lower expectations (in classes like history and religion, where it shouldn’t actually matter)

          16. Coincidentally says:

            @Coincidentally The worst class I ever took was a CC class. And two really great classes were CC courses taught by Barnard professors. Your point?

          17. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous Except you chose to take those “easy” classes so that you can feel superior and pick on girls on the internet. Who is laughing now?

          18. Pomona Student says:

            @Pomona Student I came to this page after reading an article about it on Jezebel. The comments I have read on this page are revolting. I am now confident that I made the right choice to avoid applying to the Ivy League altogether because the Columbia students have proven themselves to be the very same elitist, petty shits that they are stereotyped to be and that I had hoped to avoid.

            I do not know anything from experience about the qualifications of Columbia vs. Barnard, as I did not consider either in my own application process. However, I do know that calling a woman a cum-dumpster, easy, or any other irrelevant name or slur to imply something about her academic abilities is despicable and mind-numbingly immature (not to mention a raging logical fallacy, which should be far above the intellectual standards that the Columbia students here have been puffing their chests out about).

            I cannot believe that these horrendous comments are coming out of a little petty fucking jealously. You are so inappropriately proud of your University (and trust me, it is inappropriate – you are impressive, but not that impressive), yet your behavior smacks of appalling insecurity. If I were the POTUS and I witnessed students from my alma mater behaving in such a manner, I would apologize on their behalf and threaten to sever all ties until a formal apology was issued. I can only say that he seems to have made the right decision by not speaking at Columbia.

          19. CC Senior says:

            @CC Senior thank you for trying to talk some sense into our student body. these comments are absolutely embarrassing to read.

          20. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous Great job being upset about someone making an assumption about a group of people, while judging the entire school on one post. (We don’t want you anyway)

          21. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous What do you mean not graded on the same curve? I am BC, but all of the required classes for my major happen to be at Columbia. So, what do you have to say to a BC student getting a 3.9 GPA –based on grades from Columbia classes. Aren’t we supposed to all be so stupid? Maybe you’re just insecure and can’t deal with the fact that students who didn’t have to deal with CC admissions for whatever reason can take the same classes as you, get higher grades than you, and get the same diploma. To me, this whole Barnard/Columbia BS just stems from some Columbia kids’ insecurity and jealousy. Listen, there are always going to be smart people and not so smart people–at both CC and BC. So, why don’t you just stop wasting your time putting people down and stereotyping all BC students.

          22. CC'13 says:

            @CC'13 Frankly, this is how I see it: If you were accepted to Barnard, accepted your place there, registered there as a student, took all your classes at Columbia… you still deserve a Barnard diploma. Because that is where you are enrolled as a student. Simple as that.

          23. BC14 says:

            @BC14 Bro, we take the same classes, have the same professors, read the same texts, and write the same papers. We’re in the same intellectual community.
            More importantly though, who fucking cares? Does it really cheapen the Columbia College prestige to share the Columbia University umbrella with us?

        2. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous Because Columbia is nice enough to know that unless Barnard was associated with an ivy, it would eventually be incapable of thriving independently and close

    3. BC'14 says:

      @BC'14 Thank you. I don’t understand how people don’t get this.

      1. I would get it says:

        @I would get it if Barnard had the same academic standards as the rest of Columbia

        1. bitter, much? says:

          @bitter, much? I don’t even have to say anything in response to this…except that you’re an asshole

          1. oh, please says:

            @oh, please seriously, lets be honest here. all the thumbs downs on “i would get it”‘s comment are obviously Barnard students.

          2. WOW says:

            @WOW People stick up for themselves on a public forum after being insulted?! Who would do such a thing!

          3. CC woman says:

            @CC woman Can I get you some foreveralonery to complement those insecurities?

            I will downvote this in-fighting shit forever as coming from people desperately clinging to a string of letters on a diploma because they have nothing more to say about the value of their educations and nothing more to contribute to the world beyond insecurity and vitriol.

          4. >vitriol says:

            @>vitriol And so it begins.

        2. GS 2012 says:

          @GS 2012 It does…have you not noticed Barnard students in our classes?

          1. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous okay I’m barely okay with GS students messing with the curve, we really don’t need Barnard students taking our classes either.

    4. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Clearly, it’s a debate given all the conflicting comments already.

      P.S. My recaptcha bugs out all the time then goes to a “post too quickly” error! This is currently attempt number 4 at posting this reply…

    5. ObamaObama says:

      @ObamaObama Isnt the topic on Obama coming to Barnard? Why does the Barnard/ Columbia College debate come up everytime?? OBAMA CHOSE BARNARD. we should all genuinely be happy

  • After the CUCR Shitshow says:

    @After the CUCR Shitshow I won’t believe it until I see it in the Spec.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous You do realize that Bwog researched the shady story and waited for facts while Spec dumped out multiple botched articles, right?

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous What the hell? No, that’s actually the exact opposite of what happened.

        1. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous Ah, so the CUCR board is still planning to invite Ahmadinejad (of all people) to campus?

          1. uh huh says:

            @uh huh yea but under CCCC (C4) group

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous I thought Obama graduated from Columbia, not Barnard.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous And whole lot of good that’s done you…?

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous what is this comment trying to say?

      2. cc says:

        @cc Sure it has. I can say my school has an alum who became president. Unlike Barnard.

        1. CC '12 says:

          @CC '12 Rightfully so. Just like Barnard can say they had the President of the United States who graduated from Columbia College speak at their Class Day Commencement and not ours.

          We should be embarrassed and at the same time happy for Barnard instead of saying very mean things about them. Lets be honest, it does say on their gates Barnard College of Columbia University as we are from Columbia College of Columbia University. That’s straight facts

          1. cc says:

            @cc I’m not as annoyed with Barnard as I am with the POTUS who seems to really hate Columbia College. I get it, he’s a busy man and every single decision is filtered through politics. But to speak at Barnard before CC is kind of a slap in the face.

          2. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous So… having someone that made it to POTUS, something that education does play a role in, vs. ooh! he came to my school once!

            I’ll choose having him from here any day. Having him speech is only a political move, and we know it. It has nothing to do with you as a school

        2. CC'12 says:

          @CC'12 But Barnard can also say they got the President of the United States to speak at their class day. we can’t. Lets be honest we are all quite jealous. Congrats Barnard.

    2. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Maybe if Obama hadn’t had such a shitty experience at Columbia, he’d have some Columbia pride…

      1. '11 says:

        @'11 as an alum that had a shitty experience at Columbia, I support Barack Obama’s attempt to spite them. let this be a warning to all the self-import bureaucrats, it’s the students that make Columbia what it is, not you.

      2. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous So on this point Barnard and Columbia are different? Not a part of the same school? #Smh

      3. GS Nationalist says:

        @GS Nationalist BO was a snubbed transfer student, brighter than his peers and cloistered socially, who was forced to live off campus. GS is his real alma mater.

  • CC '13 says:

    @CC '13 Hopefully he’ll sense the jealousy of all us CC kids and will decide to come back and speak next year….

    Probably not… Damn you, Barnard.

    1. YEEEEAHHHH says:


      jk i love you guys, you’re good people, you know imma let you finish but president obama at barnard will be the best commencement speaker of ALL TIME

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous will be massive amount of traffic, good luck finding parking

  • you guys says:

    @you guys it’s fake, CUCR invited them

  • bc alum says:

    @bc alum WOOOOOOOOOO!

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous How can I, a junior, get to see Obama?

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous OBAMA is speaking at Barnard and not Columbia! He is clearly choosing Barnard and for all those haters out there – hate on that!

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous So are you saying Barnard isn’t Columbia?

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous Yepp! Well, I’m saying that

      2. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous the only people who seem to think bc = cc are cc people.

    2. CC/SEAS says:

      @CC/SEAS Yeah he’s speaking at Barnard.
      But he graduated from Columbia.
      Just saying . . . we still get to say he is an alumni.

      1. fool says:

        @fool it’s alumnUS, not alumni. alumni is the plural of alumnus. don’t troll abt CC being better than barnard when you have the grammar of a highschool freshman

        1. CC'14 says:

          @CC'14 Says the guy who can’t capitalize at the start of a sentence.
          *about *high school

      2. cc' 13 says:

        @cc' 13 Yes, we get to say that he graduated from Columbia College and never wanted to come back. duhh. its clearly evident. He had a bad experience here. He doesnt claim his Columbia College Alma Mater.

  • cc'12 says:

    @cc'12 sigh. of course.

  • CC '12 says:

    @CC '12 I understand why it might look bad for Obama to speak at an “elitist” ivy league institution, but I’m still really upset that he’s speaking at Barnard instead.

    Is there any way we can still change our speaker? Or at least get some information about why our speakers always suck?

    1. bc'13 says:

      @bc'13 Even as someone who is ecstatic that Obama chose to speak at Barnard this year, I have a lot of sympathy for you guys. Barnard students would be really upset if a prestigious alum chose to speak across the street before speaking to us.

      1. waitwaitwait says:

        @waitwaitwait Martha Stewart, CC commencement 2012

        1. nonono says:

          @nonono MARTHA BC COMMENCEMENT 2013! PLZ

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Ahmadinejad can speak at columbia’s graduation.

    1. teeheehee says:

      @teeheehee bahahahaaaa!

  • Sheesh says:

    @Sheesh So he is going to be across the street at Barnard while students from his alma mater listen to some guy… I am so glad I am not graduating this year.

    PrezBo please share with us why Obama does not want to come back and speak at Columbia?

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Nope, he’s speaking on South Lawn.

      Now doesn’t *that* irk you?

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous Wait explain how the graduation ceremony works. Do Columbia and Barnard students graduate the separate days or the same day? I always assumed it was the same day and the Columbia Graduation was on Low and Barnard on Barnard’s campus

        1. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous Barnard’s campus is much too small for commencement. Past locations they’ve used include Grant’s Tomb, Levien Gym, Ancel Plaza (EC / SIPA Plaza), and… South Lawn.

      2. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous It was always planned for South Lawn, even before Obama. Were you upset about it then?

        1. yes says:

          @yes gtfo of our campus

          1. CC '12 says:

            @CC '12 As a Columbia College student i am embarrassed by how my fellow peers are behaving. WE ARE JEALOUS. GIVE IT UP. South Lawn has always been Barnard’s commencement location

            And to answer questions: Columbia College and Barnard College have their own commencement then we have the University Commencement (which includes all 4 colleges: BC,CC,SEAS, GS) which is on May 16th 2012.

            Sometimes i think this intense debate between BC/CC comes from first years who are clearly misinformed to sad levels.

    2. CC'14 says:

      @CC'14 even worse, he’ll be speaking on OUR SOUTH LAWN. if you guys are gonna have one of our alumni speak, keep him over there. Don’t rub our face in it.

      1. bc '12 says:

        @bc '12’re not even graduating yet. this doesn’t concern you. YOU DON’T EVEN GO HERE.

        1. IronyPolice says:

          @IronyPolice Not the best quote to use.

      2. CC'12 says:

        @CC'12 correct, Barnard, please do not use OUR south lawn!!! it’s COLUMBIA COLLEGE campus!

        1. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous And SEAS, and GS, and most of the grad schools

        2. GS '12 says:

          @GS '12 Nope, sorry. It’s Columbia University’s campus, not just Columbia College. GS, SEAS, graduate schools, and Barnard. Get over it, and learn to share.

          1. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous I’m SEAS, and I know that not being included in things sucks, but it does literally say “Columbia College Campus” etched in stone in front of the sundial.

          2. Think says:

            @Think Is there still a giant granite sphere on the Sundial? Does it still tell time? Things can evolve beyond their original purpose/designation.

          3. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous If this were about him not being the college speaker, then we would be equally pissed if a good speaker went to SEAS. We wouldn’t be. Barnard makes a point to say they’re a part of the college, just like CC and SEAS are, but choose to remain entirely separate, I think that choice should require you to live with the consequences… having a great speaker and no where to put him because you choose to be independent.

      3. OMG! says:

        @OMG! …..Cry a little more about it, won’t you.

  • Anon says:

    @Anon Obama *chose* to speak at Barnard. I don’t think Barnard had even asked.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous to the 110 BC girls that liked this post: Obama chose Barnard out of a list of schools that requested him.

      1. Bc14 says:

        @Bc14 What school wouldn’t request the president?

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Doesn’t matter what you think of Barnard, whoever gets their speakers deserves that damn Barnard Medal of Distinction.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous This is amazing! I could not be more excited! So much Barnard pride!

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous It’s worth considering the election in this one – with all the recent hooplah regarding women’s reproductive rights, this was probably a very calculated choice. Columbia unfortuantely doesn’t have such a targeted audience for campaign stumping.

    1. Well yeah, I suppose that's a possibility, says:

      @Well yeah, I suppose that's a possibility, but honestly, I think Michelle made him do it. She’s the boldest of them all.

  • BC '15 says:

    @BC '15 Michelle, please note that you are welcome to speak here in 3 years.

    1. bc'13 says:

      @bc'13 orrrr next year

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Regardless of the Barnard-Columbia relationship, this is incredibly exciting!

  • The CUCR President says:

    @The CUCR President Will storm the podium before commencement, state that Obama is a “cruel a petty tyrant”, demand an apology from the liberal media, get manhandled by the Secret Service, and on the way out, knock over the teleprompter.

  • Wants to Know says:

    @Wants to Know How can I apply to be on the committee that picks the commencement speakers?

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Obama picked us, actually.

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous He didn’t ask who contacted Obama. He asked how he could be on the committee. Read before you answer

        1. that says:

          @that track button though… referring to yourself in the third person? LMAO pathetic

          1. CC '12 says:

            @CC '12 HAHAHAHA priceless

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous If Obama wanted “to honor the importance of women’s leadership”, he should have spoken at SEAS commencement, for all the women engineers that are going out into the male-dominated field to kick ass.

    Hopefully this will cause the Barnard women to finally admit that they went to Barnard and not to Columbia.

    1. of course says:

      @of course because leadership only happens in the sciences!

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous I was talking about engineering, but I do believe that scientists, mathematicians, and doctors should be included. These people lead innovations, as they have more insight – not the talkers.

        1. Anon says:

          @Anon I’m very tired of scientists and engineers who think they’re more worthy than people in the humanities and social sciences just because the applications of their studies are more practical/visible. All are perfectly legitimate fields of human knowledge. Also, scientists should remember that their models only simplify things so as to make them accesible to our understanding; they don’t necessarily describe the universe as it is.

          1. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous Anon, stop whining. There are not enough women engineers in America or the world, and that has nothing to do with whether engineers work harder/are better people or not. Grow up.

          2. anon says:

            @anon Just to be clear, I would have had no problem if Obama had instead chosen to address SEAS because of all the women engineers in a male-dominated field, as other commenters have said, but it would be by virtue of there being a high degree of inequality in that field and not because engineers are in themselves special or superior to other professionals as “These people lead innovations, as they have more insight – not the talkers” seems to suggest in Anonymous’ comment. I was taking issue with that view and not denying the hardships women in that profession surely face.

          3. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous Quoting you: “their studies are more practical/visible”, and in addition, “These people lead innovations, as they have more insight – not the talkers”. This is true. You decide if that implies that engineers/scientists/doctors are superior or not.

      2. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous hey hey hey, stop lumping the scientists with the engineers!

        All of the ‘pure science’ majors, ex. chem, biochem, physics,bio… are in the College. We get a Bachelor of the Arts degree, not science… something I’m still not over…

    2. CC says:

      @CC Because Barnard doesn’t have any women in the sciences…

    3. CSEAS says:

      @CSEAS That is true!
      A lot of Barnard girls like to wear Columbia sweatshirts apparel, not to mention set their facebook networks to “Columbia University” as well as say they’re from Columbia when trying to find jobs.

      1. O EM GEEZ says:

        @O EM GEEZ you’re, like, so right! also, we should have different uniforms for Barnard students on the COLUMBIA teams, so they can’t parade around, playing their sports, pretending like they are actually full, contributing members of the COLUMBIA (=/=barnard) community. skanks.

      2. also says:

        @also I got an awesome research fellowship for this summer and I didn’t even pretend that I go to Columbia…so fuck you. and yes, some shitty Barnard women do say they go to Columbia but there are also some shitty Columbia people as evidenced by any bwog barnard/columbia debate.

      3. BC '15 says:

        @BC '15 Oh hai. I go to Barnard, and I have 3 classes at Columbia, I eat at Columbia, and do activities at Columbia. I did not apply to Columbia, but if I want to buy a sweatshirt, I’m going to buy a fucking sweatshirt.

      4. BC '14 says:

        @BC '14 There is no Barnard College network on Facebook, so the only college-related network for Barnard students to join is the CU one. Just putting that out there.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous On job apps and Facebook, they happen to go to Columbia, but when Obama comes around they go to Barnard. I should get a sex change and transfer, best of both worlds.



      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous Is there no Barnard network on your resume either?

        1. CC '12 says:

          @CC '12 So Barnard Students dont have the right to write Columbia University on their resumes through they go to Barnard College of Columbia University(see their gate) but we do because we are from Columbia College of Columbia University? Isn’t it the same Columbia University? Sounds hypocritical of us no?

          1. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous Then they should write “Barnard College of Columbia University” on your resume.

          2. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous I do…

          3. bc13 says:

            @bc13 I do and the employers and researchers that I have given that resume to acknowledge both parts.

    2. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous There is no Barnard facebook network. Not being in the school’s network makes friending people a bitch.

      1. barnard network says:

        @barnard network

        I have lots of friends on it :)

        1. um says:

          @um network != fan page. No Barnard network exists.

          1. bc'14 says:

            @bc'14 thumbs up for !=

      2. ABSOLUTELY FALSE says:

        @ABSOLUTELY FALSE I just went on fb to try and see if I could taint my profile by saying I was from BC… guess what! It lets me list it!

    3. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous how do you know barnard girls put that they went to columbia on job apps and resumes? are you a recruiter?

      also hate to burst your bubble but many, many progressive, successful and dynamic organizations these days don’t give a shit where you went to college. in certain industries you will gain benefit because you have columbia on your resume–congrats–but in most it is about your skills, attributes, culture fit, etc. so stop being a pompous ass and perhaps you won’t have to feel so threatened in the job market.

  • CC '11 says:

    @CC '11 It’s too bad he’s not speaking for CC but it’s really exciting for Barnard. Can CU students get into Barnard commencement?

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Due to the change in speakers, Barnard will not be offering unlimited tickets, but 6 per graduate. So find a friend that’s graduating!

    2. BC '15 says:

      @BC '15 I’m pretty sure only Barnard seniors can go to commencment, but if he’s speaking on South Lawn, maybe Columbia students and Barnard underclassmen (underclasswomen?) can stand on the edges, or they will have live feed rooms where we can watch it!

      Let’s hope!

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous Nope, can’t. Went to a BC friend’s graduation 2 years ago. They don’t let you there without a ticket

    3. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous “It’s too bad he’s not speaking for CC but it’s really exciting for Barnard.” Perfect response.

  • Truth (CC'13) says:

    @Truth (CC'13) Some thoughts:

    Everyone should be happy for Barnard seniors. We ought to be supportive, even though we are jealous, and not let this further perpetuate the Barnard v. Columbia bullshit that just pulls this campus community apart.

    CC should get rid of the rule that states that its commencement speakers must be graduates of the college. No peer institution has this rule and it is a bummer for CC students who work just as hard as their peers in other institutions not to be rewarded with the same level of awesome speakership.

    Obama is very cool for choosing Barnard, but also very political. This is an election year, women are a key contingent of Obama’s base if he is going to win in 2012. None of that degrades Barnard, it is one of the foremost women’s colleges in the world, but CC students also shouldn’t feel snubbed or demeaned in any way by the president’s decision

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous we have that rule???!!! shit, no wonder…

    2. CC'14 says:

      @CC'14 All true, but it still hurts a little

    3. CC has plenty of great alums says:

      @CC has plenty of great alums They just don’t seem to pick them.

      1. WE HAVE says:


    4. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous That’s not true, John McCain spoke at his daughter’s Class Day, and he didn’t graduate from Columbia. I believe they just have to have an university affiliation or as PrezBo says, part of the Columbia family.

      This does mean Michelle Obama can speak at CC’s Class day Day though!

    5. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Thank you for this.

    6. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Barnard is not “one of the” best women’s colleges, it is the MOST competitive (and I guess to CC/SEAS student’s this means the “best”) women’s college in the U.S without exception. This means if you want to go to a women’s college, this is the best college in the world for you to attend.

      This is why people choose Barnard.

      1. well, actually, says:

        @well, actually, I mean, it’s the best women’s college in the world except for Smith, Bryn Mawr, and Scripps, ranked 19, 25, and 29 respectively by USNWR liberal arts colleges. Barnard is 33. Check your facts. Don’t disregard your sister schools.

        1. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous The original poster did not say that Barnard is the highest ranked of the seven sisters by the USNWR. He/She stated that it is the most competitive. This is true, as Barnard does indeed have the lowest acceptance rate among women’s colleges. The original poster further clarified that equating “most selective” women’s college with “best” women’s college is one interpretation.

        2. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous because us world and news report rankings are so damn significant

      2. Anon says:

        @Anon Um, hi Wellesley?

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous This is exciting for Columbia University as a whole.

  • BC '12 says:

    @BC '12 Well, as awesome as Jill Abramson is, I have to say I’m thrilled that Obama is coming to speak at commencement.

    Let’s leave the drama out of this – it’d be better to use that energy toward figuring out who picks CC/SEAS speakers and getting them to make selections of comparable quality. Getting Obama to speak at a given graduation is kind of like winning the lottery and you can’t blame the organizers for not getting him to come, but I think CC/SEAS organizers can definitely do a better job of getting awesome CC/SEAS alums to speak.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous I can tell from your comment that you’re a Barnard student because you said CC/SEAS can find good speakers.

      1. BC '12 says:

        @BC '12 I can tell from my comment that I’m a Barnard student because I wrote in BC ’12 in the ‘Name’ field.

        1. BC '12 says:

          @BC '12 Sorry, I can be a bitch sometimes (all the time).

          1. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous oh the track button… it’ll bite you in the ass everytime

          2. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous LOL

          3. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous *whoosh*

          4. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous I think you missed the point.

  • CC '12 says:

    @CC '12 Barnard, you get all the best speakers :-/

    exciting, though! will all university ID holders have access to campus to watch the speech?

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Even if they did, they just wouldn’t have the capacity.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Damn. Barnard always gets the best speakers.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous The Barnard-Columbia relationship debate is tired and immature. This is really exciting for everyone that falls under the Columbia University umbrella. Let’s all be excited for the lovely ladies across the street.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous You’re only saying that to get laid, Anonymous.

      1. anon says:

        @anon Na, because he’s whipped by his gf

      2. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous fuck, if that’s a dude, and he’s saying that only to get laid, i would totally fuck him.
        phone #?

      3. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous I would fuck him/her

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous I’m sure if Obama was Columbia’s commencement speaker, there would be students hating the choice and complaining.

    Congrats Barnard Seniors, from a Columbia student.

  • anyone says:

    @anyone who is someone in tune with the latest political happenings knows that this is completely strategic.

    1. No shit says:

      @No shit Thanks, Captain Obvious, for informing us that you read the news.

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous ARCHERRRRR

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous look at where obama spoke in the past few years: Hampton College, Arizona State. Stellar colleges all, right? NO!!! Presidents never speak at fancy (i.e. good) colleges, bc that would make them come off as elitist. Instead they only speak at either huge colleges (which can be decent, like Michigan) or tiny terrible colleges (i.e. Hampton, various community colleges) to make them seem one with the people. Thus the fact that Obama is speaking at Barnard should not be a sign of intellectual justification. Even funnier, its obvious that Obama is speaking at Barnard bc of the whole contraception controversy, so this looks like just another case of some dude complementing Barnard’s “great personality” and “impressive intellect” so as to make them cool with contraception.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous I don’t know why you’re being downvoted, this seems like a pretty good point.

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous He/she is being downvoted because, even though this may be a strategic move on Obama’s part, the poster is implying that Barnard is not a good school.

    2. CC '11 says:

      @CC '11 Um, except for when President Bush (II) spoke at Yale.

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous thats because he had the opposite problem: he had to show he was capable of being in an intellectual elitist environment..

  • bitter CC' 12 says:

    @bitter CC' 12 Let’s make one thing clear – Obama is using you, Barnard, just as much as you girls seem to be using this as ammo to make up for Barnard’s long inferiority complex. He’s using you to put out an image for his upcoming campaign – hence the reason why he contacted YOU and not the other way way around

    Congrats, but celebrate with grace.

    also, to the group that chose Columbia’s commencement speaker: You done fucked up. You done fucked up BAAAAAAADDD.

    1. Oh please. says:

      @Oh please. You’d gladly get used by Obama anytime if it meant getting him to speak at your class day.

      And I find it amusing that you tell Barnard to “celebrate with grace” while insulting them by saying they have a “long inferiority complex”. And that he’s only using them.

      Stop being an entitled and bitter ass.

    2. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous I don’t see how this matters. You do realize that most commencement speakers charge a fee of thousands (and sometimes tens of thousands) of dollars for their service, right? The more well-known the speaker, the more expensive the speech. So by your argument, most speakers are “using” colleges for the money. What’s so different about Obama using this as a chance to promote his campaign? Nobody claimed that Meryl Streep was just using Barnard, though I’m sure she made a ton of money for her trouble.

    3. ifyou'resosmarwhyareyounotstudying? says:

      @ifyou'resosmarwhyareyounotstudying? First of all, it’s absurd to suggest that an institution as a whole has an inferiority complex.
      “Barnard” happens to consist of over 2000 different people. Some are stupid, annoying, ugly, and conniving bitches who use Columbia to get themselves jobs. But so are some Columbia College students. I was accepted to both CC and Barnard, and I chose Barnard, because I wanted the advantages of a small liberal arts school and a big university. I got both, and I enjoy it. I’m not a feminist by any stretch of the imagination, and I’m not here for “women’s power,” although that’s great. I’m here because it’s a good school and people who think that Barnard is the equivalent of Arizona State can go fuck themselves, because I might be getting a better grade in the same class they’re in. Who the fuck knows?
      Someone at Barnard probably does have an inferiority complex. But so does someone at Columbia. That’s a good way to explain the intensity of some people’s vitriol. I’m not a senior, but am I going around saying that seniors suck because I’m jealous of their commencement speaker? Obama is coming to Barnard for politics, nothing else. And he’s NOT going to Columbia College for the same reason. If you think Columbia College is so much better, then use that elitism to explain why Obama is not speaking at the CC commencement, and accept the trade-off.

  • CC says:

    @CC I think this article should clarify that Obama contacted Barnard to offer to speak at commencement (to honor women’s leadership, etc.) He wasn’t lured by the Medal of Distinction, haha, what.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous That’s because if we take classes at Barnard it doesn’t count towards OUR degree. Tons of people take Barnard classes if it’s simply to fulfill a requirement, and doesn’t count as a class towards our major. KNOW YOUR FACTS.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Wow hate reCAPTCHA. My comment now makes no sense – in response to the girl asking why people don’t take more classes at Barnard (above)

    2. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous “KNOW YOUR FACTS”? You’re talking out of your ass…

    3. CC says:

      @CC This is completely false. I’ve taken Barnard econ and spanish classes for my majors. Know YOUR facts!

      1. CC Econ Major says:

        @CC Econ Major No core courses and “a limited number of Barnard economics electives count toward the major”.

        Know YOUR Facts.

        1. CC says:

          @CC I know my facts.
          Fact 1: I took 2 Barnard econ electives and both count towards my major.
          Fact 2: I took 4 Barnard spanish electives and all count towards my major.

      2. CC '12 says:

        @CC '12 This is a really shitty way to cap off our years at Columbia. The biggest marker of our time spent here will be overshadowed by the women across the street. It wouldn’t be as bad if our speaker weren’t SO subpar.

        This will actually be something I’ll remember when I consider donating as an alumni. You dun’ effed up, Columbia.

        1. Alum says:

          @Alum You don’t go to Columbia for the Class Day Speaker, you go for the 4 YEARS OF HIGHER LEVEL EDUCATION!!!! Vain idiot.

          1. CC '12 says:

            @CC '12 Well, you suck. My point is that I’ll be leaving with a bad taste in my mouth (insert pun here). This will be my last moment at Columbia, and it will serve to accentuate how little the administration seems to care about us.

          2. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous So many CC ’12 grads commenting here sound like spoiled brats. How immature to dangle your future donations to the college and whine that you’re going to graduate with a distaste for your alma mater because Daddy Columbia didn’t get you the super awesome high profile Class Day speaker you wanted.

            The fact that a certain person is high profile and all your friends will think you’re hot shit for having him/her as your speaker does not mean that they will deliver an outstanding speech. It is an insult to your fellow CC alumnus that you go into Class Day assuming his speech will suck because he doesn’t have a famous name.

            Despite its faults (and outrageous price tag) Columbia has provided you with the opportunity to obtain an unparalleled education. However, with attitudes like this, it seems many have not taken advantage of the opportunity. It is due to this kind of attitude that so many roll their eyes at “Ivy League Elitism.”

          3. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous Add to that the fact that it wasn’t the administration’s decision to not have Obama speak at CC’s Class Day. Obama CHOSE to speak at Barnard, no doubt in large part due to political strategy. However, we should all be proud that Barnard, a part of the Columbia community, was chosen over other women’s colleges in the country and that the President is choosing to show his support for women’s rights.

          4. CC '12 says:

            @CC '12 Yes, the administration didn’t choose Obama. But that administration has had a hand in choosing our class speaker and every class speaker that came before ours – and as all my friends in previous years describe it, they have all given uninspiring speeches. If you go on YouTube, you can see amazing speeches by incredibly accomplished people. I want that for my graduation. I want to be inspired.

            And frankly, Columbia hasn’t left me very inspired. I have taken full advantage of everything that has been offered to me – study abroad, unique classes, fellowships, on-campus speakers. But the lack of administrative care has really made the experience much more impersonal than it needed to be. I know people throw the idea of a bad Columbia administration around, but it’s a very real problem. Everything from housing policies, work study checks, academic advising, career advising, public space requests, etc. are all bogged down by obtuse regulation and careless administrators. For me, the worst part has been the advising system. My academic advisor knew less than I did about policies at Columbia, and simply referenced the same online guide I had access to when I asked her for answers. My major advisor would never give me a time to meet with him, and ended up screwing up my study abroad registration so that I couldn’t register for classes in time. This same kind of a scenario played out across all forms of advising at Columbia, making it seem like they couldn’t care less about me or the other students. I wouldn’t know how to go about fostering more caring administrators, but it seems to work much better elsewhere.

            Aside from all of this, I am still proud to be a Columbia student and I’m excited for my plans after graduation. This just seems like the cherry on top of the we’re-not-too-worried-about-your-quality-of-life Columbia cake. You shouldn’t be calling us spoiled brats – we’re not just trying to get a good class speaker so that we can brag to our friends.We understand and appreciate what Columbia has given us. We just want to feel like the institution that we’ve belonged to for the past four years cares about us in some way.

          5. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous Thanks for the thoughtful reply, it really clarified the point you were initially trying to make. I think you raise a lot of valid concerns, and you have a right to be disappointed by these things. My advice to you in your future endeavors (for whatever it’s worth): don’t be afraid to advocate for yourself. If you don’t think think that your advisers are doing a good job, tell them how you feel. The same goes for the other concerns. It’s true that speaking up might not change a damn thing, but directing constructive criticism where it is warranted is more productive than complaining on the internet.

            Columbia is shaped by the students who go here. Rather than thinking about how IT as an institution should inspire US, we should think about how WE can shape and inspire our school and each other.

            My main point is to say that one’s disappointment in Columbia’s administration and/or in the 4 years they spent here should in no way be used to invalidate the huge honor Barnard has received. It is immature to think of this as Barnard “overshadowing” your big moment. Congrats to Barnard on this tremendous honor. Congrats to all Barnard and Columbia graduates equally for their accomplishments and contributions to the community over the past 4 years. And we should all focus on our accomplishments and those of our peers and be proud of all of that come commencement, rather than dwell over who has the “better” speaker.

          6. Anonymous says:

            @Anonymous There’s a breath of fresh air at Columbia, away from this.. it’s called Electrical Engineering department. They care for their students. Professors give legitimate class and life advice. The department feeds us, reserves rooms for us, and accommodates pretty much any idea that we want to implement, as long as it’s something that benefits students. The department throws parties for us for different holidays, and it’s always fun. We have mentor/mentee lunches every other week (part of the program launched 2 years ago), where students of all different years in EE and CE (CS also welcome), sit down together, family-style, and share awesome stories and advice. Every person in the department office is amazing and caring, and it’s always nice to drop in and chat with them. They hate bureaucracy as much as we do, and they do their best to minimize it. I feel very lucky that I chose this department. I got tons of help, advice, and inspiration throughout my four years at Columbia, and I will surely miss the people and the good times.

          7. GS '12 says:

            @GS '12 If I were the administration I wouldn’t care about you either, you misogynist little brat. It’s a shame you spent four years at this fine institution and didn’t learn a little tolerance, or even compassion.

          8. CC '12 says:

            @CC '12 What? I’m a woman and a huge feminist. Also, without giving out too many personal details, I’m spending the next couple of years of my life at a non-profit organization helping the less fortunate.

            Gosh, people. Please actually read what I’m writing.

          9. GS '12 says:

            @GS '12 You can be a misogynist if you’re a woman…and I don’t really care about your personal details- I was responding to your sour grapes about how the “women across the street” are getting a better speaker than you. As a feminist, I would presume that you understand that your language is Othering to the Barnard women, as is your use of the term “less fortunate.” I do not begrudge Barnard this honor, and I consider them as much a part of Columbia as I am. To assert that you are going to withhold money just because of this does make you come off as spoiled and entitled, no matter how many of the “less fortunate” you save.

          10. oh god says:

            @oh god “your language is Othering to the Barnard women”


          11. GS '12 says:

            @GS '12 It’s appropriate to imagine you with spit-up all over yourself, since you are clearly such a whiny baby.

          12. @GS '12 says:

            @@GS '12 Blast, i’ve been Othered!!

          13. poor kid at CU says:

            @poor kid at CU “I’m spending the next couple of years of my life at a non-profit organization helping the less fortunate”

            paternalistic little brat. you have a hero complex, you class privileged jerk. I hate how rich kids at the school talk about “the less fortunate” as a way to make themselves feel better. go learn something

  • cc says:

    @cc No need to argue how Barnard got Obama. Cuz Barnard didn’t earn it. It’s Obama who chose to go as a calculated political choice…

    1. Did CC earn John MacArthur? says:

      @Did CC earn John MacArthur? Or whoever the fuck is speaking?

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous he had a shitty experience?

  • RIOTS says:

    @RIOTS Columbia rise up and protest Obama speaking at Barnard! Do what we were all born to do!

  • barnard says:

    @barnard the ultimate f you to columbia after four years of being put down by them for no educated or valid reason… woohoo!

  • BC '12 says:

    @BC '12 I was GOING to say something about how it’s clearly a very convenient decision that with issues surrounding abortion and women’s rights concerning contraception access coming to the fore, its obviously a clear political decision that Obama would choose to speak at one of the foremost women’s colleges in the nation.

    BUT then I read all the self-interested and needlessly cruel rubbish in these comments from people who are too stupid or insecure to go out and meet real women before being sad and angry at them over the internet, and I’d like to now say SUCK IT COLUMBIA, I’VE NEVER LIKED YOU ANYWAY, AND OBAMA DOESN’T LIKE YOU EITHER.

    I hope you all like yourself this much in ten years time when you’re working for me.

    1. CC says:

      @CC It’s true. Obama doesn’t like us :(

    2. Da fuck? says:

      @Da fuck? Um, I’m pretty sure you’ll be the one working for a Columbia student in the future. There’s a reason.

      1. BC'12 says:

        @BC'12 I wouldn’t hire you anyway, because you’re clearly extremely annoying. THERE’S a reason.

    3. columbia pride says:

      @columbia pride barnard students are columbia rejects! you have all the reason to hate columbia!

      1. BC '13 says:

        @BC '13 I’d like to make it very clear that you are a despicable person. As a matter of fact, I didn’t apply to Columbia. BC students’ treatment of this situation with excitement and pride is valid, and your ugly jealousy makes me ashamed to be a part of this community.

    4. CC'11, Proud Alumnae, and Woman says:

      @CC'11, Proud Alumnae, and Woman Wow, your comment was just bitter. Just because there are a few commenters out there who are rude and self-interested doesn’t mean you should knock us beautiful Columbia folk as a whole. I’m soo jealous but happy for you all- don’t let some dumb fucks and their dumb comments ruin your relationship with Columbia, unless it’s been a hellhole for you.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous You would never hear of a Harvard alumnus speaking at Radcliffe instead of his/her alma mater. I feel bad for the CC students of 2012. Michelle must have Barack whipped

    1. DUH.... says:

      @DUH.... Probably because Radcliffe College no longer exists.

    2. CC says:

      @CC What is with all the references to Michelle in these hate comments? No man could possibly want to support women’s leadership on their own (/for political reasons) so obviously he is being bullied by some domineering women!

      Wait, sorry, I know I can’t expect Bwog comments on a post about Barnard to not be incredibly sexist.

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous to the contrary, it takes a real man to independently support women’s leadership

    3. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous That’s because Radcliffe no longer exists as an independent institution…

      Or were you being ironic?

    4. GS '12 says:

      @GS '12 Wow…you are a terrible person.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous seas should get Putin or Hu or something!

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous you’ve never liked us? How many classes have you taken at Columbia as opposed to Barnard? Now you’re insulting us after siphoning off our resources? Hypocrite

    1. CC/SEAS says:

      @CC/SEAS EXACTLY. Barnard gets to utilize our resources, yet when the tide turns the are ungrateful for what Columbia has provided them (some not all!).

      1. SEAS '14 says:

        @SEAS '14 Stop calling yourself CC/SEAS. I think we all know the Barnard hate is coming predominately from CC, not SEAS.

    2. BC '12 says:

      @BC '12 How many classes have YOU taken at Barnard? It’s a reciprocal relationship that Barnard pays a lot of money for, and unless you’re someone within the Columbia administration, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.

      And yes, I rule at my Columbia classes also.

    3. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous 4 at Columbia, 28 at Barnard. You?

  • Dean Pena Mora says:

    @Dean Pena Mora We here at SEAS would like to formally announce Steve Jobs as our Official 2012 SEAS Class Day Speaker…

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous :'(

    2. Ermmmm.... says:

      @Ermmmm.... Steve Jobs is dead.


    3. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous i’m jelly. all SEAS seems to get is the president of a photocopy or electricity company or the chairperson of some warehouse operation. dull, unimaginative, utterly boring…

  • CC '14 says:

    @CC '14 I wouldn’t want to speak at CC either if I read these comments…

    1. Right? says:

      @Right? A lot of these comments sound like they come from bitter five year olds who actually know how to spell.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Barnard haters: you all sound bitter and pretentious. This is really exciting for Barnard. It’s okay to be upset, but be gracious.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous No one would want to speak at Columbia if they read your comments. Shit. You guys are rude.

  • OperationFreeBarnard says:

    @OperationFreeBarnard With all this Barnard Pride- I think we should liberate BARNARD!!!!
    Take that DARN Columbia University seal off the degree and Prezbo’s signature too!
    While we are at it! Let’s NOT wear the B&W cap and gown with the Columbia Crown!!

    1. CSEAS says:

      @CSEAS CC/SEAS would feel liberated as well.
      Barnard should develop its own seal, its own robes, its own venue for graduation. . .

      1. BC'12 says:

        @BC'12 It doesn’t matter anyway, because Columbia only exists in your imagination. If you wish hard enough it’ll come true…

        Y’all are fools.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Please, take one second to look at our alumni including Obama. We came to COLUMBIA COLLEGE or THE SCHOOL OF ENGINEERING AND APPLIED SCIENCES because we want a future for ourselves. And we have a network of people that have already made it and willing to help. Working for you? In the off chance, it would be the other way around Barnard.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous So I guess the GS people (a significant percentage of whom can kill you in your sleep, if they so choose) and the graduate students that greatly outnumber you, are fish chum then?

      (Not to mention the inherent misogyny in your statement.)

      If the appeal of college is solely for its network, you should’ve gone to Harvard.

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous I’ve reported this comment to public safety. Threatening someone’s life is not only illegal but also quite cruel. I apologize that you will have to learn this the hard way through court and prison but death threats are not okay.

    2. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Oh, yes, because it’s impossible to have a future if you go to Barnard.

      BC, CC, and SEAS are all incredible schools and I’m willing to bet that many employers look at them on the same level. It’s not about the school you go to as much as it’s about taking advantage of the opportunities that are presented to you, and the entire Columbia bubble (and NYC in general) has a myriad of incredible opportunities for students in every school.

      Not to mention you very well could be working for a state school graduate as your boss some day.

    3. Just curious... says:

      @Just curious... Of those famous, powerful, successful, etc. Columbia alumni (since Columbia went coed.) are there significantly more men than women? what is the male to female ratio of Barnard students, if you had to guess?

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous most.relevant.comment.EVER

      2. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous Nicki Minaj is such a BOLD, BEAUTIFUL woman!

        1. TRACKED! says:

          @TRACKED! And she still thinks you a stupid hoe, you a you a stupid hoe. Her words. Not mine.

  • CC'12 says:

    @CC'12 Everybody needs to step away from their computers, breathe while counting to 10, and then calm down. It’s been a long week, guys.

  • BC alumna says:

    @BC alumna I’ve been out of the Columbia/Barnard bubble for a few years now, and it still BLOWS MY MIND how many people feel the need to put down others. Are you really so insecure about yourself?

    Barnard is affiliated with but not PART of Columbia, a fact of which I am extremely proud. I would not have been happy as a Columbia student.

    As it stands, I got a Fulbright in neuroscience and am in medical school now, so I have no doubt about the academic excellence of Barnard. And dealing with the few vocal assholes across the street made me a better person and better leader. Some people at Columbia were amazing, but others… Let’s just keep in mind only YOU can devalue yourself.

    1. CC '13 says:

      @CC '13 Amen!

    2. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous In that case, couldn’t you get a degree with your own school’s name on it?

      1. BC alumna says:

        @BC alumna That’s a decision of the University, not CC, BC or SEAS. I’m going to guess that’s how it was written when the President of Columbia created Barnard College back in 1889. If you’re really so disgruntled about it, you have your own University to blame.

        But glad you’re focusing on the really important points here… Being petty is SOOO lame.

    3. Why says:

      @Why do you still read Bwog? Jesus.

      1. BC Alumna says:

        @BC Alumna Haven’t been on here in years, but figured in light of this recent announcement and the extreme Barnard hate going around it might be time for another visit. And BOY have I not been disappointed!!

        But really, have you really read through 150 comments to get to mine? Jesus.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Maybe Columbia Students wouldn’t be as upset if Barnard women didn’t choose to associate with Barnard only when it is convenient. It’s a slap in the face when many Barnard girls go around saying they go to Columbia, put Columbia University on job applications, and list Columbia as their school on Facebook. Now, all of a sudden Barnard girls are proud of going to Barnard. Make up your minds!

    1. BC'12 says:

      @BC'12 This comment tells me you don’t know anyone at Barnard. Do you even go here?

      1. I know says:

        @I know a lotttt of (pretty awesome) people from BC. but what was said about using columbia when convenient remains accurate

    2. BC'12 says:

      @BC'12 Maybe people would be proud to say the went to Barnard if there wasn’t so much Barnard hate.

      1. CC12 says:

        @CC12 But you forget that the barnard hate stems from the fact you call yourselves columbia.

    3. CC says:

      @CC Barnard women who claim they go to Columbia all the time or selectively or only on their resumes or whatever are a straw man, just like man-hating feminists and welfare queens.

      Everyone chooses to highlight their academic experience in a personal way. My resume reads “Barnard College of Columbia University” because the full name helps potential employers mentally place me in the rigorous academic environment that exists at both Barnard and Columbia. (The name alone isn’t going to get me or anyone a job; my GPA and honors and, most importantly, my work and internship experience that follow are going to do that.) When talking about how great my undergraduate experience was, I talk about Barnard because Barnard is a thousand times better at taking care of her own than Columbia is. When I’m talking about my Japanese background, I talk about Columbia because that’s where all the Japanese classes are so I identify with that as my “department”.

      I don’t see what the issue is with any of this – the Barnard/Columbia relationship is complicated and has created coinciding complicated modes of discourse surrounding it.

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous I’m confused–your name is “CC” but you have Barnard on your resume. If you are indeed a BC grad, it sounds like the only reason you’ve included the “of Columbia University” portion is to intentionally make those unfamiliar with the institutions of Morningside Heights think that you’ve gone to Columbia.

        I really stick up for Barnard when I hear the hate from my CC folk, but I gotta say, it annoys me that BC grads utilize the Columbia name when it serves them.

      2. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous “of”…. lol

  • Whipped says:

    @Whipped as in S & M? Didn’t think they’d be into that kinky stuff

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Why are CC/SEAS so bitter about Obama speaking at Barnard over them? His decision to speak at Barnard is clearly a calculated political choice, what with the current “war on women” in the Republican party. He knows in order to secure the female vote he needs to support female leadership and feminism, and what better place to do that than at the most selective and arguably the most prestigious women’s college in the nation? On top of that, Barnard is a triple whammy for him: predominately left-leaning, female, and young. He’s not saying that one school is better than the other; he’s simply trying to secure the female vote.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Because Obama’s our daddy who never acknowledges us. We just want his love! Why don’t you love us, Obama?

      (Because Columbia was and is a crappy school when it comes to student well-being)

  • May I remind you..... says:

    @May I remind you..... we had a particularly famous Harvard grad come to our bball game yesterday who you fawned over? And then Oprah and Steinam the other day? Columbia U (barnard + CC + SEAS) has a brand getting hot hot HOT.

  • CC'13 says:

    @CC'13 I’m so upset that I think I’m going to join the College Republicans.

  • CC '12 says:

    @CC '12 God damn, I’m not mad at Barnard. I’m just really, really sad. It feels like the president of my country just slapped me in the face. Yeah, I get the calculated political move part of it, and I don’t think Barnard doesn’t “deserve” to have him. But this just feels like such a “FUCK YOU” from Barack Obama to Columbia College. And that sucks, because I love Columbia College, and now I have to graduate from the place I’ve spent 4 years of my life with this huge cloud hanging over the whole day. What a horrible way to end a really important life experience.

    1. CC '11 says:

      @CC '11 I completely agree, and I really feel for the graduating class this year. Especially as someone who was involved with the POTUS project last year….why did we even bother? CC was great but obviously it has its ups and downs, but this being the final event that marks the end of your college life is really, really disappointing.

  • oh hey says:

    @oh hey I found obama’s speech for commencement

    Nah, I kid. I want to hate on bc, but for what? columbia can’t help that it’s not an all women college, which is the (only) reason Obama is speaking there. It’s political, people.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous oh please, im at CC but would you really be bitter about being upstaged by the POTUS? she’s also a woman with children who just *might* have a stake in the whole birth control/abortion shitstorm and so just *might* appreciate the stance the prez. has taken.
    anyways, im excited to year what he has to say.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous He doesn’t even go here!

    1. CUCR says:

      @CUCR Obama should just go home!

  • Guys says:

    @Guys This bickering is really very pathetic. Congratulations to Barnard for getting an awesome class day speaker; good luck to CC and SEAS on their next ones.

    How distasteful.

  • Hey Columbia, says:

    @Hey Columbia, Can we get a JumboTron again, a la ServiceNation?

  • Maybe says:

    @Maybe Obama had a subpar speaker for his commencement. :|

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Guys. Perspective. I know this is huge news, and it’s awesome for Barnard and kind of sucks for Columbia, but at the end of the day, it’s still just about a graduation speaker. I’m sorry, but I can’t believe that so many people are taking this as a chance to be horrible to each other. It’s just a speech at graduation. It doesn’t really affect your future in any major way. Can’t we all be a little more mature about this?

  • Anonymous says:


  • THIS MOCKERY says:



    @OH WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK i for one don’t give a flying fuck about the barnard/cu debate. honestly do you have any idea how many people put “columbia university” on their resumes ANYWAY without having gone to either barnard/columbia? i once saw a columbia college (the crappy one, not the ivy league one) guy sneak in his resume into our drop. it’s fucking bullsht.

    i made away with a 3.7. twas easy for me to land a job. barnard girls don’t compete with me. and frankly its not their fault columbia chooses to give them @columbia email addresses.

    as a guy, if you told me there was an all-men’s college affiliated with harvard law school, and that it was easier to get into (more of a surer thing), i’d take that as well! blame the system. but dont blame the girls for applying to barnard. sure some of them mightve not gotten in had they applied to columbia but they’re simply taking advantage of the system. you want change? change the system. break the affiliation between cu/barnard. otherwise, shut the fuck up.

    SEAS Guy,
    -Class of 2010 (who had no trouble landing a job with a 3.7 GPA with no competition from barnard girls whatsoever),
    -2nd Year Analyst/Columbia Resume-reviewer – Mckinsey & Company
    -Annoyed after frequently running across false resumes from people who never even attended columbia OR barnard
    -Annoyed after seeing several Columbians put false extremely exaggerating statements in their resumes (you did not attend harvard summer school asshole)
    -Annoyed at the whole barnard/cu debate

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous 1) You’re correct in most of your analysis

      2) Oh, you work for the Enron consultancy? Wow, you’re cool. The Economist editors-in-chief wrote an entire book on fraudulent McKinsey & Company practices.

      3) You clearly have a small penis.

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous FYI, I’m CC2010

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous The reason people put Barnard College of Columbia University on their resumes is because the degree is conferred by Columbia and that’s the official name of the college used in many different settings. I’ve never run into a resume that only says CU. I’m pretty clear about it being an affiliate when I talk to people in person, even though I’ve taken a TON of Columbia classes and found them to be just as easy as BC classes, except with less professor-student interaction. In fact, I think I’ve gotten a number of jobs because employers are interested in female oriented leadership.

    When I applied to Barnard instead of Columbia it was because I really wanted an empowering setting with peers that were interested in feminist ideals. This idea was cemented when I saw Butler covered in the names of men. If I hadn’t wanted to live in the city, I would probably have gone to another women’s college because I love it so much. Plus, the advising program and career services offices are both incredible, not to mention superior counseling and health services.

    I love Barnard, but I don’t fault my Columbia peers for their decision to go to Columbia, a place that I feel stifles academic freedom through the strict core and fosters male-dominated ideals, as is evidenced by these comments.

    In the end, Columbia students are often more miserable and in no way have an advantage in the workforce. It’s all about how you USE your time here, not how well you did in your senior year in high school or your decision to learn in a feminist environment versus a male-dominated environment.

    1. lulz says:

      @lulz male dominated environment? LULZ. what century is this?

      columbia, both seas and cc, are approx. 51/49 male/female -MALE DOMINATED. LULZ. seas is a bit easier to get into if you’re a hot white chick because of that.

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous I wrote that because even when women are the majority, academics and politics still foster male ideals. If that wasn’t the case, these comments would be less hateful and gendered. And you’d be more likely to understand what I meant by that comment.

        The core focuses on men more often than women (even if I don’t take the classes, I’ve looked at the course load for lit hum and other classes and have read pretty much everything on there), and the history classes I’ve taken tend to do the same, even when women’s issues are a huge deal.

        1. honest question says:

          @honest question and don’t wikipedia this before you answer, i want to know off the top of your head:

          just how many noteworthy female authors were there before, say, at least the renaissance, if not “pre-enlightenment” or such?

          1. GS '12 says:

            @GS '12 What exactly are you driving at? If it is what I think it is, go read some Sappho, and hang your head in shame.

      2. lulz says:

        @lulz Male dominated environment? LOL shut up woman and let the man explain how you are so liberated now. Bitches, I mean.

    2. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous This kind of talk just stinks of a double standard. It’s not relevant to this article, but to the comment I’m replying to: an enforcibly all-women’s school is as ideologically archaic as an all-male or all-white school, and does more to proliferate than to dissolve gender bias. Maybe nobody agrees, and this isn’t the forum for a rigorous, in depth argument, but comment threads like this are silly and anachronistic, and it seems clear to me that separation only squashes the possibility for clear, respectful discourse.

  • Sasha says:

    @Sasha He’s just waiting until I got to CC instead of Barnard to speak at my graduation.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous who gives a fuck what you do or what your GPA was

  • CC says:

    @CC ok, barnard girls get to register for our classes a week in advance, they get our degree, and they get obama…dassit i’m transferring cuz they have us by the balls

  • Oprah will introduce him says:

    @Oprah will introduce him “Barack ObamAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!”

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous So much arguing! Clearly the more important issue is will there be a puppy study break the week before?

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Clearly we need one.

    2. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Obvi

    3. PUPPY COALITION says:


      love you, everyone under columbia ‘brella.

  • CC '12 again says:

    @CC '12 again Well, you suck. My point is that I’ll be leaving with a bad taste in my mouth (insert pun here). This will be my last moment at Columbia, and it will serve to accentuate how little the administration seems to care about us.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous you moron Obama CHOSE to speak at Barnard, Barnard didn’t chose to have him speak.

      1. CC '12 says:

        @CC '12 Oy, this is part of a comment thread from above that got displaced. We all know that Obama chose to speak at Barnard. My point was that it wouldn’t feel so shitty if our own speaker wasn’t so subpar.

        On a side note — it sucks that you said “you moron”. I’m a little bit sad that Obama isn’t speaking at graduation. Don’t need the hate.

  • CC14 says:

    @CC14 I initially was wondering why there were so many likes on Barnard comments, but then I realized it’s because Barnard people spend more time on BWOG than Columbia people, because they’re trying so hard to stay in the loop about what’s going on across the street.

    Makes sense though, after all I know what’s going on here because I live here while you have to be signed in…

    Side note: It would just sound absurd for a Wesleyan girl to say that she goes to Harvard, thats how dumb you Barnard girls sound to me when you say that you go to Columbia…THE COLLEGE

    1. how old are we? says:

      @how old are we? grow up.

    2. Really? says:

      @Really? Okay first off you mean Wellesley (our secretary of state is an alumna…) and secondly Wellesley was never associated with Harvard but nice try…

    3. Seriously FUCK CU says:

      @Seriously FUCK CU You know that Wellesley and Wesleyan are two completely separate private institutions right?

      I swear Harvard, Yale, and Princeton kids probably laugh at you when you try to claim that you are an ivy league student, with you core that covers prep school BASICS, and your football team that doesn’t seem to be well informed about how to actually play the came.

      Eat a big fat CRIMSON dick you fucking piece of shit!

      COLUMBIA will never be YALE, HARVARD, or PRINCETON. Your acceptance rate is low because you are in NYC. This is why you guys have a huge inferiority complex, because deep down inside you know that you are not the cream of the crop. Obama does not want to associate himself with you guys because you are all elitist, self-righteous fucks who would rather pick on a women’s college then focus on your own merits.

      1. GS '12 says:

        @GS '12 Wow…see I usually get this kind of hate from the actual Columbia College people, because I am a nontraditional student. It’s crazy to realize that the pretentious snobbery just never ceases…it’s turtles all the way down!

      2. I have a feeling that you are unattractive says:

        @I have a feeling that you are unattractive and that you have a small johnson.

      3. anon says:

        @anon troll, why do you have a crown next to your name?

      4. mmm says:

        @mmm i love playing “the came”

      5. WOW says:

        @WOW I thought that the whole “Harvard, Princeton, and Yale are the only real Ivy Leagues” distinction only existed on Gossip Girl.

      6. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous 1. why are you even on this blog
        2. you salty that obama don’t want your crimson dick?
        3. “prep school basics” … sorry we are not that entitled
        4. you make the rest of your school look absolutely awful.

        1. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous one more thing..
          “who would rather pick on a women’s college then focus on your own merits.”
          not sure what you doing here lulz

      7. CC Alumna says:

        @CC Alumna “your football team that doesn’t seem to be well informed about how to actually play the came”

        Definitely the best measure of an educational institution’s quality.

      8. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous Perhaps in the future, when writing hateful messages on other universities’ blogs, you might make use of a nifty devise called “spell check”. It might save you the embarrassment of making grammatical and spelling errors when lambasting other institutions for their lesser educational merit. Just a thought.

  • Columbia College 2013 says:

    @Columbia College 2013 We should all write letters to Obama telling him we want him at our graduation next year. No need to be mad at Barnard. He can still come to Columbia next year.

    1. Yeah... says:

      @Yeah... Once he isn’t reelected and doesn’t have to base every decision off politics.

    2. LOL says:

      @LOL It’s cute, because like me, you look at this as “bad luck.” “No way will MY graduation speaker be as bad as this!” you say. “Obama might choose to come for MY graduation!” you say. And yet you don’t realize that every CC student for the last 4 years has gone through this internal monologue.

      When the graduation speaker sucked last year, I thought to myself, “Well now that they ended up with a REALLY bad person, they’ll step up their game for MY year.” And now not only do I have a horrible graduation speaker, and not only is Obama not speaking, but he is LAUGHING IN MY FACE.

      Your time will come. Just you wait. Enjoy your wishful thinking while you still can–I envy you.

      1. CC'11 says:

        @CC'11 Yes, every year everyone complains about the speaker being subpar. Yes, hardly ever does the graduating class get a Class Day speaker with a name that wows. Last year, the short list the seniors were asked to vote on included Maggie Gyllenhaal, and Alexandra Wallace Creed (our actual speaker) definitely didn’t get the most votes. In fact, I don’t remember her name even being in the list.

        HOWEVER, just because she wasn’t super famous doesn’t mean she “sucked”. I would say far from it. Her speech was heartfelt and enjoyable, and it definitely made the day incredibly better. (Now, if it only hadn’t been so frickin cold and windy… )

        Your speaker may suck or he may not, but don’t expect the actual speech to be terrible just because he’s not a flashy name. He may surprise you.

    3. BC 14 says:

      @BC 14 Maybe he’s just waiting until Sasha or Malia enrolls at Columbia!

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous First of all, I go to Columbia NOT Barnard and unlike many of you I am honest abut that fact. Secondly, I know plenty of people at Barnard. Some of which, I didn’t even know went to Barnard until they shamefully had to explain what dorm they live in…

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Shamefully? I’m sorry, but should my place of residence be the first thing we mention whenever we meet someone?

  • Clarity CC'12 says:

    @Clarity CC'12 As a senior who is very upset that the President did not chose to speak at Columbia College’s commencement, I think we really need to analyze why Obama made the decision to speak at Barnard. It is not surprising that Barnard undergrads will beam with pride at this news and feel particularly special that Obama decided to come to them. But in my opinion, Obama is ultimately speaking at Barnard to gain female support and votes in the upcoming presidential election. We must take into account the present political context. The New York Times describes what I am getting at very well:

    “Word of Mr. Obama’s appearance comes as the White House and Democrats have seized on Republican attempts to block a requirement for contraception coverage in the new health care law, saying it amounts to a “war on women.” Democrats believe the issue could be an effective rallying point with women voters in a presidential election year, and the decision to appear at the prestigious women’s school could provide a high-profile forum for the president on that front.”

    Obama is trying to win votes. He is the most powerful man in America in my opinion because he is a master at influencing public opinion and swaying problems to his advantage. I believe Barnard in his eyes is a means to a political end. Therefore, I am upset but I can’t be angry because I know that in speaking at Barnard, President Obama is improving the chances of a Columbia College graduate remaining in the White House.

    1. was this essay really necessary says:

      @was this essay really necessary thanks for explaining the White House’s obscure motivations, we would have never figured it out otherwise.


    2. Seriously FUCK CU says:

      @Seriously FUCK CU Yes we know you are desperate because it took so long for you to get an alumnus in the oval office. Like I said earlier all of you can eat a big fat CRIMSON dick!

      I love how CC/SEAS feel rejected but also refuse to admit that Obama was a GS student. Where is their voice in all of this??????

      1. GS '12 says:

        @GS '12 Right here. Go to hell.

      2. GS Nationalist says:

        @GS Nationalist If Obama applied today, he would be a GSer. It’s no secret that the treatment he got as an underprivileged transfer student is why he virtually doesn’t acknowledge coming here even decades later. You’d think Columbia would have learned its lesson, since the next GS-alum President (fingers crossed lol) is sure to be even more spiteful.

        However, he was a CC student. Some sites do claim he went to GS, but they’re incorrect. I was actually about to namedrop him in my admission essay until I triple-checked this at the last minute.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous This is all rather silly. It almost sounds like a old, bitter and tired married couple bickering, and I think this should put the whole debate in perspective for everyone getting so invested in throwing horrible comments out there.
    No CC student will not admit that this feels like a slap in the face and this is because while I am happy for Barnard, the problems is that I have to be happy for Barnard instead of viewing this as a triumph for the whole Columbia community. Sometimes the lines we have to draw between them are placed very awkwardly and personally, I get confused all the time on why some days we are one, but for other days we are separate. We can all try to sweep this under the rug and be friends, but it looks like just when we get going on that, those pesky lines come up again and we are forced to differentiate between them. You can be family in name, but not in spirit this is the problem here. Relying on the official connection as defined by administration has not been enough, and we need to talk about where we want to be together. The hate is about enough at this point.
    Congratulations Barnard-Columbians. Obama will be great!

    1. cc alum '61 says:

      @cc alum '61 all me and my barnard wife ever bicker about is this shit.

      in our nursing home, whenever she ever acts up, i always slap the hoe and tell her ‘get your ass back across the street bitch!”

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous …What about us? Columbia women participate in many feminist initiatives at Barnard, we care about the advancement of women, and WE HAVE VOICES TOO.

    This plus Oprah are just a slap in the face.

    We suffer because of Barnard (ppl thinking we go there, having WAY more heterosexual women at this school than heterosexual men, etc) and are excluded from some of the very few privileges of Barnard, while Barnard women use the Columbia affiliation to its full advantage.

    I feel like a dumbass because I should have just gone to Barnard. I could wear blue robes, hold my “Columbia” degree, brag about having cool people visit campus, live in Columbia housing, take Columbia classes and date Columbia men, without having the Core and all the difficulties and bullshit of ACTUAL Columbia.

    1. BC '14 says:

      @BC '14 Holy shit, you are MAD.

      1. of course I'm mad says:

        @of course I'm mad I’m a fucking idiot for wasting my time at Columbia when there’s been a backdoor across the street the whole time!!

        1. damn says:

          @damn if yall worked this hard in your freshman writing classes, you’d all have A’s

        2. look says:

          @look Lose the fat and I’ll have sex with you too. No need to get into jealous bitch mode. We have a great Gym at Dodge.

          Really Barnard ladies work very hard as champions of female empowerment, and your jealousy stemming from having to compete a little and look a little nice to get with Columbia guys is just ugly.

          I’m sure the women of CUNY also work hard as feminists, yet you don’t see any of them bitching about Obama speaking at Barnard. In fact, I bet they are happy to see the nation’s president speak at an all girls school.

          You also live in New York City, a city with over 3 million heterosexual men. Columbia/barnard does not exist in the middle of nowhere Idaho, (sorry Idaho.) You have plenty of sexual options.

    2. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Wow, bitter much? Don’t worry, I’m sure you’ll do a great job of making yourself feel better by calling Barnard girls dumb sluts who used a back door to get into the school you ~rightfully deserved~ to get into.

    3. CC says:

      @CC If you hate Columbia this much, why didn’t / don’t you transfer? And if you’re that involved in feminist activities, why don’t you recognize that the rhetoric surrounding Barnard women being dumb / having an easier time / stealing Columbia’s name comes from a compulsion within our sexist society to shoot down any attempt by women to do something outside of the constant male gaze?

      I call troll on this whole comment because I’m going to choose to believe no student chosen to attend the illustrious Columbia University could possibly be this shortsighted.


      @FUCK YOU COLOMBIA BITCH Call it a back door all you want! Be mad. Deciding to enroll in a premier women’s college is a conscious political choice. Great people Columbia’s campus all of the time. Eric Holder, Attorney General of US, gave a speech at CU THIS week. He is a Columbia alumnus and yet he gets no love. Ursula Burns, the FIRST black women to be a CEO of a Fortune 500 company will be speaking at SEAS class day. Not one person seemed to be excited about what she accomplished. Mind you, she is also a graduate of Columbia. You guys are selectively haters. Like seriously, people cannot choose to speak at Barnard College?

      You have chosen to go to a college where people recognize the accomplishments of their alumni, and are appreciative of a good education. Instead you chose to go to a school where people are upset about who DECIDES to speak at a graduation. Instead you chose to go to a school where people have a deep inferiority complex. Instead you chose to go to a school where people think the name on their diploma defines them. I find that to be incredibly sad and unfortunate.

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous You should have*

      2. Its says:

        @Its *Columbia genius

        1. Seriously FUCK CU says:

          @Seriously FUCK CU It’s a typo you CRIMSON dick sucking prick!

  • CC'11 says:

    @CC'11 Just a political ploy because of the significance of woman’s rights in the upcoming election. Don’t get your panties in a bunch.

    Let Barnard get this one thing to be proud of their school. Let’s be honest. It’s the only thing so throw them a bone.

    Irony that they’re most proud of a Columbia Alum speaking at their school over any Barnard Alum.

    1. irony? says:

      @irony? When there is a female president in the U.S., we’ll be proud of that Barnard alum.

      1. Wait... says:

        @Wait... So any Barnard alum that hasn’t been the President (a.k.a. all of them) isn’t someone of whom you should be proud? Shows how much you support Barnard. Proves CC’11’s point.

        1. CC '12 says:

          @CC '12 Lets not be so petty. You knew what she meant. The reason why we are all mad/jealous is cause its PRESIDENT OBAMA

    2. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Yes, because the reason people are excited about Obama is that he went to Columbia.

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous lol

    3. Alum says:

      @Alum This is really a dumb conversation and as an alum of several different schools at Columbia University, as well as Barnard, makes me highly skeptical about ever hiring any of the bitter, jealous students posting on this board. It’s just very silly and disappointing to see the bitterness expressed by those who don’t attend Barnard, or that Barnard students themselves think they need to be even remotely defensive against such stupid, ridiculous attacks. The “one” thing of Barnard to be proud about? Seriously, have you forgotten that two Secretaries of State, including Madeline Albright and Hillary Clinton have addressed Barnard commencements? The most powerful woman in business (soon to be one of the wealthiest women in the world), Sheryl Sandberg addressed Barnard? The most often nominated (and recent winner) of the Best Actress Oscar addressed Barnard? Are you kidding? Are you even remotely aware of the number of Barnard College phd’s, who occupy the highest positions in science and medicine? The number of best selling authors? The percentage of Barnard graduates who’ve gone on to lead global businesses and law firms? Several of the most powerful women on Wall Street….what? Barnard grads. Are you aware that in the past year, because of Barnard’s prestige and preeminence, that BEFORE the war on women began several weeks ago, the White House hosted a major forum on women in business/women entrepreneurs on campus, featuring again, some of the biggest names in business? Perhaps you missed that Oprah Winfrey was just on campus? Barnard is, has been, and will continue to be the most prestigious college for women in the world. I think the joke is on those folks who one way or the other do not open themselves to experiencing the incredible things that happen on Barnard’s campus, but instead resort to jealous anger and attempts to belittle a fine institution. All your jealousy is doing is ensuring that the Barnard women who will one day be in position to give you a professional opportunity will laugh you out the door, with your abusive, arrogant condescension. Just think about it. And grow up….

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous As a CC Freshman, I just want to praise this message. Columbia kids need to take a chill pill. The only thing that is frustrating as a Columbia student is the feeling that the administration does not care for us the way the Barnard administration cares about them.

    4. anonymous says:

      @anonymous he’s the president of the nation, you IDIOT! Who wouldn’t be happy about that?! For once in your life, learn to celebrate with the women at BARNARD! It really won’t hurt you, I promise!
      Columbia is great, Barnard is great and in the end, we are all receiving a top-notch education! It all depends on how you use the resources that both colleges provide… seriously, dig deeper, and ask yourself, why you are really mad about Obama’s choice…

  • cls alum says:

    @cls alum Interesting: both Franklin Roosevelt and Teddy Roosevelt attended Columbia Law School, but dropped out before graduating…Eisenhower was President, but didn’t graduate from here…so I guess it’s true that Obama is the first “Columbia graduate” to be President.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous citizenkaneclapping.gif

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous for all the people commenting about how this is just Obama using Barnard to gain the female vote… I for one am extremely offended that the holder of the highest office in the country is giving my school’s commencement address to express his support for a political stance that I fervently and wholeheartedly support.

    1. you are fucking naive says:

      @you are fucking naive maybe in 10 years you’ll become street smarter and know the true intentions behind people’s actions

      in the meantime, people like me will continue to make money and gain power off people like you. hopefully. in the next 10-15 years.

      1. BC'12 says:

        @BC'12 Maybe in 10 years you’ll learn to read more carefully…

      2. whoosh says:

        @whoosh lmao my comment was directed at the people above who felt the need to express the cutting edge political analysis of ‘oh he’s just trying to express his support for women’s rights to get votes’. shit sherlock, really? in an election year? how insightful of you, and thank you for the condescending assumption that we don’t already get that.

        yeah, yeah true intentions, I’m so fucking sad that he’s trying to get my vote by supporting policies I support, crying a fucking river

        1. hahahha says:

          @hahahha You win.

  • The audacity says:

    @The audacity of pandering.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Can’t we all just be friends?

  • ccalum says:

    @ccalum Idea. All you Columbia guys, go get a Barnard girlfriend fast!!! That way, maybe she will invite you along with her parents to the Barnard graduation. My Barnard girlfriend ( now my wife) did that.

    Barnard always has better speakers than Columbia. Just think about it. Barnard doesn’t invite the leader of Iran or engage in other sensational activities (think riots ).

    1. Future Husband/Bf of one says:

      @Future Husband/Bf of one This is exactly what I intend to do. I will have my cake and eat it at the same time. Her story will then become mine. Sucks for the female CU students, though.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous I feel like this is karma for all of the Barnard hate and ridicule that is prevalent on Columbia campus.

    1. I feel like this is karma for says:

      @I feel like this is karma for history.

  • Crazy Idea says:

    @Crazy Idea What if CC’12 as a group refuse to donate money to Columbia citing this as the reason…I guaranty the quality of Columbia Commencement speakers will rise dramatically

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous I don’t think it’ll work out that way.

    2. even crazier idea... says:

      @even crazier idea... maybe if you learn how to spell “guarantee” correctly, graduate, and become important in the world, you can come back and spew some graduation speech at a future cc graduating class…

  • pretty fucked up says:

    @pretty fucked up if this is how columbia treats its “sister.” We are all going to be in family therapy forever.

  • CC'14 says:

    @CC'14 Part of me wants Obama to lose this election, because as long as he’s POTUS, there’s no way he’ll be Commencement speaker. Obama, you’re a bro, but I need you out of office before I graduate.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Playas, they gonna play
    And haters, they gonna hate
    Ballers, they gonna ball
    Shot callers, they gonna call
    That ain’t got nothin’ to do
    With me and you
    That’s the way it is
    That’s the way it is

  • BC '12 says:

    @BC '12 Just to clear a few things up before I say anything:

    1. I applied to CC early decision and didn’t get in. I ended up coming to Barnard because my only real criterion for picking a school was that it had to be located in New York City, so I picked the best school I got into in New York. It wasn’t because it was a backdoor into Columbia, although of course I see the irony that, as a film major, I have taken the vast majority of my classes at Columbia (99% of the film department is at Columbia).

    2. When people ask me where I go to college, I ALWAYS say Barnard. Only when people say, “What’s Barnard?” do I then respond with, “It’s the all-girls college of Columbia” (to which some of those people then respond, “What’s Columbia?”)

    3. My resume says I go to Barnard College of Columbia University, because that is the name of the school I attend. I’ve compared resumes with my CC friends (yes, I have those), and they say “Columbia College of Columbia University,” so I’m pretty sure I’m not doing anything wrong there. In job interviews, I always refer to my school as “Barnard,” and every interviewer I’ve had has been impressed by that name.

    4. I’m in the Columbia network on Facebook because that is the only option. I do have Barnard listed as my college if you look at my education info. If there was a Barnard network, I would absolutely join it.

    5. I can say that every single one of my Barnard friends behaves in the EXACT same way I do when it comes to my numbers 2-4. I can only assume that any Columbia student who says Barnard students act otherwise aren’t actually friends with anyone at Barnard. And that is most likely due to his or her attitude.

    That said, it’s clear that Obama is speaking at Barnard as a campaign move. He is in the middle of a campaign, so that shouldn’t be surprising to anyone. So sure, he’s “using” us. But who freaking cares? He will give a great speech, and everyone will be happy (and as a supporter of Obama, I have no problem with him using us for his campaign). I completely understand why CC students would be a little bitter about this, but what can you do? The students didn’t ask for Obama, the administration didn’t even ask for Obama, Obama asked US. Attacking Barnard students because of Obama’s decision makes absolutely no sense, and is just unbelievably petty and immature (not that I’ve come to expect more from you, BWOG commenters). I have a sneaking suspicion that the bitterest of these commenters are only so bitter because their horrible attitude has kept them from ever befriending any Barnard students, and now they’re out of luck when it comes to procuring a ticket to our graduation.

    1. You miss the fact that... says:

      @You miss the fact that... Columbia College *is* “of” Columbia University.
      Barnard College is affiliated “with” Columbia University.

      There is a difference, and your resume hides that.

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous Barnard College of Columbia University

        Read it and weep: [IMG]×86.jpg[/IMG]

        How you like them apples?

        1. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous Just in case you missed it, here’s a nice wide version for all of you.


    2. jasper says:

      @jasper thank you, this was good and sensible, i liked it

  • ugh says:

    @ugh so columbia=barnard when it’s convenient, but when it comes to important things, like presidential keynote addresses, columbia and barnard are two distinct entities. WTFMATE.

  • Let's be honest... says:

    @Let's be honest... I have no problem with Obama speaking at Barnard (actually I’m a tad bit jealous), but my only problem with Barnard is their ties to us. Either make it part of Columbia aka no more all girls school or completely cut the ties. Barnard girls are so proud of their school yet, get mad at us when they are using all of our resources. I didn’t even know what Barnard was until after NSOP. You’re elite through association of Columbia. And Dassit!

    1. BC '12 says:

      @BC '12 completely agree. This has been one of my biggest issues with the Barnard-Columbia relationship. But it has nothing to do with the students and everything to do with the administration(s).

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous holy shit. 250+ comments and counting… and it’s fucking 2pm on a saturday. obama + barnard hating really brings the comments.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Ack, so glad I went to Barnard before these Bwog comment boards existed, because reading this comments on this post scares the hell out of me. Barnard grad here who applied early decision (like half of the students at Barnard, so get the hell out of here with the Columbia reject stuff) and who never joined a network on Facebook because they only had Columbia’s, not Barnard. If people ask me where I went to school, I say “Barnard.” If they’ve never heard of it, I say it’s “part of the Seven Sisters.” If they have no idea what the Seven Sisters are, I give up. I was always happy to take advantage of Columbia’s facilities while at BC (though most of my classes were at Barnard) but I’ve never tried to use it to cover up Barnard. I’ve always been Barnard first and now I can unabashedly celebrate Obama’s speech (even if it is a political ploy.)

    Also, all the awful Columbia commenters on here — you are the WORST! Good God!

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous You tell em! As a CC student I have nothing against Barnard, except that a number of the students lack school pride by saying that they go to Columbia. Barnard is an excellent college, and is unfairly compared to Columbia (an exceptional school, no offense meant) because it is affiliated. Don’t say you go to Columbia like you are hiding something, be proud to say you go to Barnard!

  • ObamaObamaObama says:

    @ObamaObamaObama OMFG its the President Of the United States. I think shes honored. And she will be speaking next year

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous This is awesome for the whole university!!! Can we all just chill out and celebrate? Senior tailgate!!

  • For all the Barnard Haters says:

    @For all the Barnard Haters

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Does this even matter? It’s very sad that this conversation is pitting Columbia students against Barnard students: we learn from the same professors, eat in the same dining halls, and participate in the same clubs. Barnard is an important part of Columbia’s history, and it’s really a shame that many Columbia students are being so disrespectful about this wonderful opportunity for the entire Columbia community and ultimately turning it into an argument about which school is more difficult to get into or popular or well-known. Have some respect for your fellow students: we’ve all put in a lot of work over four years– there is no one in this community who has not struggled and succeeded and failed together.

  • Anonymous says:


  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous And if Barnard had turned down Obama’s offer no doubt all these comments would be insulting that decision as well.

    I am sure had he extended an offer to speak on class day, PrezBo would have made the decision to drop any previously scheduled speaker as well. What college would turn down the President’s request to deliver the commencement address?

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Barnard students have taken our class spots, our campus space, and now our favorite alum. And I’m sick and tired of the inferiority complex. I hate how when I ask a girl if she’s from Barnard she immediately takes it as a diss. Let’s be honest here, the difference is pretty obvious. There have been times when I was asked to leave classes so that a Barnard senior who was close to the professor could take them instead. This is aggravating. Barnard students don’t pay Columbia tuition so they should stop kicking me out of my classes, and increasing the class sizes in classes that I actually am able to get into. Barnard students don’t go to Columbia yet they make me wish I hadn’t come here.

    1. Correction says:

      @Correction Barnard students pay an annual fee to take Columbia classes. Study harder and maybe you can get into Harvard for graduate school.

      1. CC 14 says:

        @CC 14 Study harder and maybe you can get into Columbia for grad school.

  • Haters Gonna Hate says:

    @Haters Gonna Hate [IMG][/IMG]

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous I think Jill Abramson would have gladly canceled her own appearance to score a ticket to Obama’s commencement speech.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous For those that doubt the political undertones of this gesture, ask yourself the following questions in this order:

    Why would Obama make an announcement to speak at Barnard College directly after a Georgetown University student was called a “slut” and “prostitute?”

    In choosing to speak at Barnard for the sake of female empowerment, news which has already gained national attention (hint hint), could Obama potentially gain the favor of a great deal of women in this country?

    Finally, could the female support he earns be useful to him in the upcoming presidential election?

    Stop thinking Barnard is so special because Obama is coming. You’re a political instrument.

    1. yawnnn says:

      @yawnnn A bit late to the party, aren’t you.

    2. CALM YO TITS says:

      @CALM YO TITS No one was questioning the political undertones of Obama giving the commencement address at Barnard. There’s nothing here to prove.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Say what you want, but use you name. If your intent is to be a hateful misogynist, then please give me the chance to remove you from my life. If I don’t know you, give me the chance to refrain from ever knowing you, if at all possible.

    Seriously guys it goes both ways. How often do you hear about Zora Neale Hurston or Margret Mead in affiliation with Columbia? Why isn’t that seen as problematic?
    Without institutions like Barnard, women wouldn’t be able to attend CC or SEAS or any collegiate institution in America. So quit the hate. As a former student athlete and a member of a Columbia club that I love, I am thankful for the perks of Barnard’s affiliation with Columbia and I have a lot of respect for and pride in Columbia and the wonderful people in my life who go there. However, if you know me, you know I have so much Barnard pride. And if you don’t know me:
    I, Bunge Okeyo, am a Barnard junior. I would never hesitate to proclaim that to anyone! I have no Columbia envy whatsoever.

    In light of both Oprah and President Obama choosing my college, it seems many people see Barnard as I see it: Barnard is bomb!

    The more productive quest would be to determine why Columbia alums seem to have much less school pride than alums of comparable institutions. The Barnard Alums that I know or the famous ones that I’ve heard of seem to have loved their time here. For those who feel slapped in the face by the president, maybe you should be more upset with your administration (both current and past) than with him or Barnard women. Literally Columbia has searched for people who knew Barack Obama while he was a student here and haven’t had much luck. It probably has a lot to do with the fact that he was denied campus housing and as a transfer student that transition was already going to be a more difficult one.
    Whatever the reason, that should be where you direct your bitterness. Not at me (as I suspect while happen) or Barnard College, or the president.

    ps: Barnard was named for the 10th president of Columbia, Frederick Augustus Porter Barnard, who was obviously less of a chauvinist than many of the people we encounter on bwog. Get it together guys, the world needs less people who think like Rush Limbaugh for real.

    1. Dude Nooo says:

      @Dude Nooo you broke the interwebzzz. anonymous people onlyyyyyyyyyy

    2. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous so much barnard pride?
      why do you list Columbia as your primary FB network?

      1. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous because at the time i matriculated that was the only option and i AM a columbia university student. Wait you have columbia college pride? how come your network say columbia university?
        dont you realize columbia university includes Union Theological Seminary, JTS, GS, all the graduate schools, as well as BC CC and SEAS? it’s actually a testament to the pride in Barnard that there is now an option to join that network. don’t hate bro.

      2. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous because when i matriculated that wasn’t an option and i am, in fact, a columbia university student. why isn’t your undergraduate college (assuming you are a disgruntled undergrad) listed as your network? that network includes UTS, JTS, each graduate school, as well as BC CC GS and SEAS – a network of which i am a member in real life as well as on facebook.

    3. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Zora Neale Hurston or Margret Mead both went to Barnard when Columbia only existed at a mens college. Had they had the option, I’m sure they would have attended columbia (like Radcliffe students who now Harvard.)

      1. anon says:

        @anon Buuut they didn’t. So your point is moot.

      2. Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous Radcliffe exists not, my friend…

    4. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Just to clear up the origins of Barnard College:

      F. A. P. Barnard becomes Columbia’s tenth president. A Yale graduate, he previously taught at the University of Alabama and presided over the University of Mississippi. His ambitions for Columbia know no bounds, and he fights unsuccessfully against trustees, faculty, and students to make Columbia coeducational—only to have an affiliated women’s college, whose creation he opposes, named in his honor.


  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Dear Office of Alumni and Development:

    When Columbia treats us like crap–from housing to dining to fin aid to getting work study paychecks after running to 20 different offices to advising not knowing anything ever to career services being no help whatsoever to, well, most administrative aspects of this place–we will still hold a grudge against you 20 years later when we become Presidents, astronauts, great authors, etc. And we will never give you our money. Let this whole kerfluffle serve as a reminder of that fact. I know you guys read Bwog.

    CC ’12

    PS Good job Barnard, I guess.

    1. CC '07 says:

      @CC '07 Well said.

    2. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous THIS. As a Columbia student (and woman), my problem is not with Barnard women, but with the pain of being so close to a school like Barnard that fosters a sense of community in its students while attending a school that reminds us, at every turn, that we couldn’t matter less to our administration. It seems like the POTUS problem is a foreseeable outcome of that, though it’s shitty to think that Columbia has been fucking over undergraduates for this long and hasn’t bothered to do anything about it.

      I would say that students should complain, should organize and work with the administration to address the problems that it seems a LOT of students have with the way things are run at this university, but who would listen?

  • Let's be real says:

    @Let's be real If half of you Barnard women had applied directly to Columbia and not Barnard, you’d be attending some school in the midwest right now.

    1. Let's be real says:

      @Let's be real No I’d be attending:

      1) UPenn
      2) Northwestern University
      3) Williams
      4) Amherst
      5) Wesleyan

      and plenty of other good schools.

      Maybe if you got into Princeton you wouldn’t be so damn bitter. You guys were bragging about meeting Jeremy Lin, but the Attorney General comes to your campus and you don’t even know about it. Pitifulllllll

      1. lol says:

        @lol Let’s get a couple things straight:
        1. Like you, Columbia was my top choice. Unlike you, I was accepted.
        2. As a true and avid basketball fan, I’ve known about Jeremy Lin far longer than most of the dick-riders you’re referring to.
        3. If it seems like no one knew that Eric Holder would be here, it’s because you’re living under a rock.

        Also, the point of my first comment was to say that you wouldn’t be attending Columbia, you’d be at another school (e.g. UPenn, Northwestern, Williams, blah blah blah).

        1. BC '13 says:

          @BC '13 I’ve had two best friends throughout college (and my whole life!)–one from BC and one from CC. I love being a part of the Columbia community and that I’ve had the opportunity to meet so many amazing and brilliant people on both sides of the street! I seriously hope Obama never sees this comment thread. It’s embarrassing for all members of this community!

        2. Anonymous says:

          @Anonymous 1) Who said I applied to Columbia. I did NOT apply to Columbia. You guys always assume that Columbia was EVERY Barnard student’s top choice! LMAO I am sorry to disappoint you. I would not give a flying fuck if this relationship was severed tomorrow. I am still happy with my decision. I am and will continue to be successful in life. As far as I am concerned, not going to Columbia College hasn’t prevented me from achieving anything. I have had top notch internship experiences. I am well traveled, and get to meet some of America’s most influential people. Keep hating and keep comparing. That will not stop me from being accomplished…period.

          2) Just like Yao Ming, Jeremy Lin will soon be forgotten. Just like you think I am getting a Columbia degree through the backdoor. I think he is getting recognition through the back door. The Lakers have a bad game, and all of a sudden he’s something for us to be excited about? He most of his wins were against mediocre NBA teams. Oh and lets not forget to mention how he got SHUT down by the Miami Heat. Please call me when the guy gets the Knicks a ring. Until then, shut it!

          3) Please believe what you want to believe about Columbia student’s excitement about his visit. I can’t recall a Columbia student rejoicing about meeting him.

  • I like to think that says:

    @I like to think that Maybe Obama read the Bwog comments and saw how rude the Columbia students are when considering his choice.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Bwog, c’mon, such a good opportunity to use the “bitches going crazy” tag

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous NOOOOOOOW Barnard’s part of Columbia…

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous The administration should open up his speech to the entire student body. He’s speaking on South Lawn, so it will already be set up to accomodate the 15,000+ that attend University Commencement anyway! That way, he could directly address Barnard for their commencement, but every Columbia/Barnard student could have a chance to watch our President speak.

  • Neil deGrasse Tyson says:

    @Neil deGrasse Tyson For Columbia’s emergency replacement Class Day Speaker!

    1. I see what you did there says:

      @I see what you did there We got a true redditor right here

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous Let’s be honest guys, people are making way too big of a deal about this. It’s not a fucking pissing contest.

    Is getting Obama awesome? yes. But in the grand scheme who cares if we didn’t get him. It’s NOT a sign of prestige of our school. It doesn’t make any judgment on what you personally have done here. Will the CC speaker be a good or bad speaker? Who knows? He hasn’t spoken yet. Maybe he’ll be the funnier, more insightful, and much more interesting than Obama.

    Will Obama give the commencement speech of the century? Most likely not, considering his position and the limitations that come with it. Who knows? Maybe Obama’s speech will just turn out into a long drone about why we should vote for him come November.

    Commencement speeches will mean so little in the grand scheme of things that it’s incredible that people will take time out of their day to get pissed about it. Fucking priorities. ‘Cause after his speech is done we’re all going back to our lives anyway.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous I think that SEAS would have been a better idea, politically and otherwise. While Barnard does have its own physical science/math departments, I think we can all agree that the level to which undergraduates at SEAS master their respective subjects is far beyond ours. Many Barnard undergrads prefer to specialize in grad school, which is fine and doesn’t make them any less capable, but it’s worth recognizing the sacrifices SEAS students have made for the betterment of science. I’m a science major, and I know I’m not nearly dedicated enough to my field at this point in my life to tackle a SEAS workload. I can do research/work at labs/etc in the summer, but I really wanted a more dynamic undergraduate experience. I think Obama’s recognition of the importance of science, including the women of SEAS, would have been a bold, worthy, and relevant political statement to make, and a reward for SEAS students.

    1. Bwog wordpress says:

      @Bwog wordpress didn’t include the fact that I’m a Barnard student, in case that wasn’t clear.

    2. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous He’s already spoken at MIT. He’s had his opportunity to vouch for the sciences. From a political perspective, he doesn’t need to do that twice. He’s speaking at a women’s college now, and considering he has a personal connection to the one affiliated with columbia, it makes sense that he speak at Barnard.

  • BC 13 - BC 15 says:

    @BC 13 - BC 15 I dunno why y’all are so excited. This just means he wont be speaking at YOUR graduation.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous because at barnard, we are taught a sense of community. as a member of the barnard community, i am immensely proud that obama is speaking at my school, and i’m thrilled for my friends who are graduating. i’m also thrilled that i have friends who are giving me a ticket so that i can see him speak!

  • question says:

    @question Will CC students protest this speech? I mean, it’s kind of an insult to speak at Barnard before returning to CC. I know it’s political. But so is a protest. Seems like the reasonable response if you are genuinely PO’d.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous What good would a protest do? You can’t MAKE Obama speak at Columbia. In fact, didn’t he have a terrible experience here? Isn’t that why he’s turned down repeated offers to speak at Columbia? Protesting would make sense if the administration had any control over this situation, but they don’t have the power to decide where the President of the United States does or does not give Commencement addresses.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous It’s Columbia, not Colombia. Looks like the admissions board let one through by mistake.

  • BC says:

    @BC Well, if there is no BC network, why don’t we create one? Just saying

    1. BC admin says:

      @BC admin Believe me, the college has tried to get its own network for as long as Facebook has been around. It took Sheryl Sandberg coming to campus to even get them to listen to the pleas.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous BC girls should understand why us Ivy League students are upset. For one you all parade around our campus and act like you go here, but when the president is coming to your school its all “Barnard Pride”. Secondly, Obama graduated from our University, so it seems a bit like we’ve been cheated out of something that is rightfully ours. Not to mention that the very reason why Obama is going Barnard is offensive. As if there aren’t bright, powerful women here. Please! Also Barnard has seen Ruby Bridges and Oprah already this year, so this is like the ultimate screw you to Columbia students. Like why are we constantly being insulted? I mean we can’t help it that we were smart enough to get into Columbia.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous hahaha “Like why are we constantly being insulted?” puhleaze.

    2. Dear "We Ivy League Students" says:

      @Dear "We Ivy League Students" Go fuck yourself.

    3. BC '14 says:

      @BC '14 us ≠ we

    4. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous columbia clearly fucked up when they decided to take you…that’s for sure. obama gives the speech he wants. you are not “entitled” to anything in the same way you’re not entitled to the education your’re getting. asshole. i’m ashamed to share space with you.

  • Bc'12 says:

    @Bc'12 This is sad. The ENTIRE class of 2012 (regardless of your affiliation, undergraduate, graduate, whatever) has worked an incomprehensible amount over the past 4 (and in some cases, more) and we deserve recognition. Period. Bow down to us.

    If you’re class of 2013 and later, and you’re bitching about this: shut the fuck up and put your binky in your mouth.

    As a member of a Barnard Medalist Committee, I was PISSED we didn’t get Tina like we fought for. Am I still pissed at how things turned out? Fuck no. Even if Obama was speaking at CC/SEAS/GS (don’t forget about them!!!) I’d still be SUPER ELATED.

  • KN says:

    @KN Kinda embarrassing how childish we are acting here…

  • Obama, says:

    @Obama, Your mission is to give a better speech than Meryl Streep. Best of luck.

    1. Anonymous says:

      @Anonymous Best. Speech. Ever.

    2. Q says:

      @Q In all honesty, I’m more upset that I couldn’t get into Meryl’s speech than the fact I’ll miss Obama…

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous I think that chemistry at Columbia is somewhat harder, but Barnard gives much less generous curves.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous dear cc haters,

    i’m so glad you got into COLUMBIA COLLEGE. congratulations. you’re soo smart. except i think you didn’t graduate from middle school. seriously.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Anonymous is just speaking at Barnard because its a girls school. Not because its a good school. Hes just using you for political points. Yet you seem so happy about it.

    1. bc says:

      @bc Someone else already put it much better than I will. He’s the goddamn PRESIDENT. Nobody give two shits about why he’s coming, even if it was ultimately revealed that he chose to come to Barnard for the sole purpose of hitting on DSpar. Hell, nobody would agree to be a commencement speaker in general if they weren’t promised a shitload of money for it. We all understand that it’s just the way it works. Obama’s coming and it’s gonna be awesome, period.

  • No Integrity says:

    @No Integrity Alright, this shows that Barnard has absolutely no integrity for two reasons:

    1) They already had an excellent speaker, a woman who is truly a power player and a superb example of what women can do with their lives.

    2) HE’S NOT A WOMAN. JEEEZ. How can Barack Obama, a man, inspire women at a women’s college to be successful and powerful women?

    1. So Much Integrity says:

      @So Much Integrity Alright, this shows that Barnard has absolute integrity for two reasons:

      1) The speaker they already had, who was excellent, gladly bowed for POTUS and said she’d be happy to speak at Barnard at another time – truly a power player and a superb example of respect for our country’s political servants.

      2) HE’S THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. JEEEZ. How can Barack Obama, a man, NOT inspire women at a women’s college to be successful and powerful women? Especially since he has two daughters!